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  1. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post

    The majority did not want a solution to underpopulated zones... all the few people said was "the zones look dead"... that's it. Nobody was demanding that every day be "launch day" crowds.

    ...except for maybe the PVP gankers, perhaps. :P
    What makes you think you are speaking for the majority?

  2. #382
    I love Cross Zone Realms. People complain about having competition for nodes and herbs, which is stupid in my opinion. In the real world, there isn't Iron for every dude who wants it. Competition adds spice to the otherwise boring farm.

  3. #383
    Yeah it really is ridiculous. I like seeing at least a few people in Northrend or Outland when I play one of my alts. I think it's a fine feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious View Post
    It's mostly the fact that PvE and RP servers are still merging with PvP servers.

    Something I fear will take us at least a major patch into Mists for them to fix, as they'll be caught up addressing pre and post launch issues.
    I still have never seen this happen and neither has anyone else in my guild.

  4. #384
    So some of their arguments is like * I can't farm things because their is wayyy to many people etc etc etc *

    So this week with my hunter, I tamed Terropen, Ankha, Sambas an encounter with Maddexx, but could'nt tamed him bebcause he's 84 and I was 83. Came back when I hit 84, he was dead snif sniff

    I was just logging off on the spawn point and logging back, maybe with a 3 or 4 hours of playing each days

    Oh yeah, on a PvP server btw
    Their argument are invalid.

  5. #385
    Every direction this game has went since WotLK hit was for the majority. You really don't think the masses wanted their old zones to actually feel alive?

    When I buy MMO games I get mad if something another person does can interfere with what I'm doing. I absolutely hate it when my massively multiplayer online games include other people.

    I get so upset when PvP happens on a PvP server.

    /sarcasm

    You're just being ridiculous if you think they would implement a system as complex as this if the majority didn't want it and hasn't already been asking for it since Wrath hit.

    Why don't you try just leaving feedback in the thread made for it and sitting back a week or so while they work out the kinks instead of complaining every time you get ganked on your PvP server.

  6. #386
    People will bitch about anything, but at the end of the day if it's a reason that makes them not enjoy the game so be it. I think for the most part it's just smoke though. Some people whine because they can and have nothing better to do. Besides, come Mists, Pandaria won't be cross realm, and since the majority will be there anyways, it's not a big deal.

  7. #387
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkbark View Post
    I love Cross Zone Realms. People complain about having competition for nodes and herbs, which is stupid in my opinion. In the real world, there isn't Iron for every dude who wants it. Competition adds spice to the otherwise boring farm.
    Well said that man!

    I have been levelling herbs today from scratch with alchemy so i took the opportunity to go out and see and live in the world.. bit of pvp happened, met people, herbed a lot and did some archeology. And you know what? It was one of the best days of Wow I have had in years. Absolutely brilliant blizzard!

  8. #388
    Quitting over it is a little more than stupid, I will agree to that. But not everyone has the same outlook on things, nor the same experiences with it so those saying 'I love it and because you don't it therefor makes you an idiot' is ridiculous. There are some who apparently are having a string of horrible luck with it their complaints have some validity (like high pop servers being being very overcrowded now). For those who are throwing tantrums because they don't like playing an MMO with people around, or are getting ganked in a PvP server well... that's just mind boggling.

    From personal experience, I have mixed feelings on it and it's something that I wish would have been tested far more before release. It really isn't there being a lot more people around (although I've had to turn on auto duel decline due to random idjits from servers not my own spamming it when I'm in the middle of combat), it's just technical errors that make trying to play quite often irritating. Getting dismounted in mid flight, errors, missing npcs/mobs, latency spikes and fps drops are not fun.

  9. #389
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vishiz View Post
    bitch about zones being dead for years, zones are now alive, time to quit, typical wow player.
    Got to go with this. CRZ is a great invention so far, minus the really bad bugs (like the fishing derby). It even made my dead PvP realm interesting (Spinebreaker FTL).

    I'll consider it a real problem when it gets as loud as Real ID was. Now that was a real problem people complained about. Nothing will be as bad as that.


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  10. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Others have asked this but I have yet to see a really satisfactory answer and I mean this with the greatest respect. When you sign on to a PVP realm, you sign up for PVP anytime, anywhere (mostly). So, if that's become a problem, then why not move to a PVE realm where you can self-select when you want to be flagged? I get it that there are issues with costs to transfer but I really really do not understand people on PVP realms complaining that now there's too much PVP.
    Well I'm someone who was playing on a PVP server when 5.0 hit and just recently moved to a PVE server.

    For me, the problem with this change is that for the last few years Blizzard basically did everything they could to prevent world PVP. If you wanted world PVP then you were expected to goto zones like Wintergrasp and Tol Barard. Then out of no where they completely change the way world pvp works. Did I initially sign up to potentially PVP at any time? Yes, but I picked realms where population and horde/alliance ratios were to my liking. I wouldn't have rolled on PVP servers if the levels of PVP that we're seeing with CRZ was happening then. You now have 40 man, cross realm raids showing up to do battle with people doing dailies. Thats not world PVP, its slaughter.

    It would be nice if Blizzard at least acknowledged that they completely changed the dynamics of how world PVP works. Offer free transfers off the realms for people who aren't interested. I know I still have serveral toons on PVP realms that I don't want on those realms, but are kind of stuck there.

  11. #391
    I can understand that RPers are upset, but the rest...just lol

  12. #392
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottsdaleHokie View Post
    It's their $15, if they don't want to blindly give it Blizzard each month, why do you care?
    .. The point he's making is that they will not quit. No need to get defensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sageofthe10paths View Post
    Some people make no sense man, and are terrified of change. What are you gonna do, but laugh at stupid people lol.
    I could say the exact same thing about people who have said they quit over LFR, pet battles, scenarios, pandas, Tillers farms, LFD, removal of group quests, faction change, server transfers, resilience, and the #1 you see on these forums in particular..."cuz casual bads get epics".

    I mean, quitting over those things are all pretty funny. And I'd put safe money that half of you that think quitting over CRZ is funny have "threatened" to quit over one of those other things I listed (most likely the last one on the list).

    Funny indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticmoon View Post
    They aren't quitting. If they truly wanted to quit, they wouldn't care about whining on a forum, hoping it gets to noticed by Blizzard...
    Point is they don't want to quit.

    People do leave over things like their sense of community is gone, as what's the point in playing a game that resembles a battleground 24/7?

    CRZ came and made it too much of a chore to multibox for me (zone change stuttering that's unplayable). Without that to level multiple toons, it really becomes pointless to play. CRZ ruined leveling 4 toons to 85 in time for MoP, so truly not interested if Blizz isn't interested in keeping betaware off live servers to ruin the fun for players. If that's how customers are treated, it's time for customers to vote with their wallets -- BF3 Premium is looking much better for play value, instead.
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  15. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by Vishiz View Post
    bitch about zones being dead for years, zones are now alive, time to quit, typical wow player.
    Fail logic, as most of the people complaining are ones that play on low pop servers for a reason. I'm not bitching about it because that's pointless, but I have been on a low pop server for 7 years, because that's the way I like it.

    If it gets to the point of annoying me I'll go to the lowest pop server there is I guess.
    Apply blizzards model to any other subscription service,you'd be outraged:
    Netflix adds no new movies for a year, you click a new movie, there's a $5 fee.
    You're in an accident, click your onstar button, but there's an addition $20 fee for them to help.
    You turn on your tv only to find all you get are the infomercial channels. Every other show is pay per view.
    See how dumb that model is?

  16. #396
    I think the main issue with the guys that don't like CRZ is they either hate the "world" part of world of warcraft, or they hate the "war" part of world of warcraft. If people don't want to engage in pvp ever, then simply stay in the city and you'll be safe, nobody is forcing you to quest, to be honest, LFD is just as fast and BG's are more fun than either one (I guess except for the guys that don't like pvp lol).

    I think the big problem here is that the latest batch of wow players, wrath babies and cata babies don't understand that the game used to be a battle between two factions, at any point in time you could be facing horde or allinace - they are just used to easy epics and being able to teleport anywhere easily, and content being nerfed. Now all of the sudden the see the enemy faction mowing down their buddies, then they jump in and get owned, and they decide since they can't do anything about it, they are just going to pack up and leave.

  17. #397
    Quote Originally Posted by Vishiz View Post
    Every direction this game has went since WotLK hit was for the majority. You really don't think the masses wanted their old zones to actually feel alive?

    They don't, that's the point. A few whiny posts about wow being dead, and blizzard interpreted that as 'hey we need crz'. 95% of the 'dead' complaints are from pvp servers, so they should just keep crz to those.
    Apply blizzards model to any other subscription service,you'd be outraged:
    Netflix adds no new movies for a year, you click a new movie, there's a $5 fee.
    You're in an accident, click your onstar button, but there's an addition $20 fee for them to help.
    You turn on your tv only to find all you get are the infomercial channels. Every other show is pay per view.
    See how dumb that model is?

  18. #398
    Quote Originally Posted by Dazzy View Post
    They don't, that's the point. A few whiny posts about wow being dead, and blizzard interpreted that as 'hey we need crz'. 95% of the 'dead' complaints are from pvp servers, so they should just keep crz to those.
    We saw a lot of this kind of talk back in January 2011. It died away after the losses started mounting.
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  19. #399
    CRZ is the best thing that has happened to this game. The game feels alive now. Don't like the PvP? Join a PvE server. So what if it takes you a few more minutes to farm mats. Big deal. As if you weren't going to afk in the cities right? Learn to adapt. I have been leveling and farming for the past few days, and I have yet to find any problems. Mobs and farming items spawn fast enough. And if there is a horde, I get to fight them.

    If you want to quit over CRZ, go ahead, do it right now and don't tell us if you are quitting, we don't care, just like we don't care about anyone else quitting over anything else.

    CRZ is awesome! And it's the best thing going into MoP. It's better then entire expansions imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterisbest View Post
    CRZ is the best thing that has happened to this game. The game feels alive now. Don't like the PvP? Join a PvE server. So what if it takes you a few more minutes to farm mats. Big deal.
    Sounds like a typical PvPer, who also doesn't want to be bothered to gem and enchant his gear as they can't afford it. They're the type that begs for money to buy mounts as they're too lazy to even farm dungeons for gold. So yeah can see how node timers and keeping mats on realms aren't a concern for the typical PvPer...but don't try to pass off that "I don't care" attitude to a lifeblood of the game. The game is m-u-c-h more than level 85 ganking lowbies.
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