[Guardian] BiS Pre-Raid Lists

[Hinalover]

Since there are druids out there who are unsure on how to gear up this coming week, I have created several lists for people to shoot for when preparing for Mogu'shan Vaults. I've made a list for those who don't want to touch PvP and only use those items that either drop from dungeons, quests, or crafting; one that includes pvp; and one for BiS, full Valor gear set. The full Valor list is quite extensive and will take several weeks to get (considering you can only earn 1k Valor a week).

Only Dungeon gear
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	Name	Gem 1	Gem 2	Enchant	Reforging
Head	Soulburner Crown	Austere Primal Diamond	Jagged Wild Jade		214 Hit -> Mastery
Neck	Engraved Amber Pendant				127 Haste -> Mastery
Shoulder	Doubtridden Shoulderguards	Guardian's Imperial Amethyst		Greater Ox Horn Inscription	157 Hit -> Mastery
Back	Wind-Soaked Drape			Enchant Cloak - Greater Protection	None
Chest	Greyshadow Chestguard	Puissant Wild Jade	Puissant Wild Jade	Enchant Chest - Superior Stamina	None
Wrist	Lightblade Bracer			Enchant Bracer - Greater Agility	None
Gloves	Greyshadow Gloves	Guardian's Imperial Amethyst		Sha Armor Kit	None
Waist	Icewrath Belt	Solid River's Heart		Living Steel Belt Buckle	None
Legs	Wall-Breaker Legguards	Guardian's Imperial Amethyst		Ironscale Leg Armor	217 Expertise -> Crit
Feet	Dashing Strike Treads	Puissant Wild Jade		Sha Armor Kit	None
Ring 1	Signet of Dancing Jade				139 Expertise -> Mastery
Ring 2	Pulled Grenade Pin				None
Trinket 1	Bubbliest Brightbrew Charm	Bitterest Balebrew Charm	Either works		None
Trinket 2	Iron Protector Talisman				None
Weapon	Inscribed Tiger Staff			Enchant Weapon - River's Song	None

Dungeon Gear + PvP gear
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	Name	Gem 1	Gem 2	Enchant	Reforging
Head	Soulburner Crown	Austere Primal Diamond	Jagged Wild Jade		214 Hit -> Mastery
Neck	Dreadful Gladiator's Necklace of Proficiency				144 Expertise -> Mastery
Shoulder	Dreadful Gladiator's Dragonhide Spaulders	Puissant Wild Jade		Greater Ox Horn Inscription	179 Haste -> Mastery
Back	Wind-Soaked Drape			Enchant Cloak - Greater Protection	None
Chest	Greyshadow Chestguard	Puissant Wild Jade	Puissant Wild Jade	Enchant Chest - Superior Stamina	None
Wrist	Dreadful Gladiator's Armwraps of Accuracy			Enchant Bracer - Greater Agility	144 Hit -> Mastery
Gloves	Greyshadow Gloves	Guardian's Imperial Amethyst		Sha Armor Kit	132 Crit -> Expertise
Waist	Dreadful Gladiator's Waistband of Cruelty	Solid River's Heart	Solid River's Heart	Living Steel Belt Buckle	None
Legs	Dreadful Gladiator's Dragonhide Legguards	Solid River's Heart	Solid River's Heart	Ironscale Leg Armor	178 Haste -> Mastery
Feet	Dashing Strike Treads	Puissant Wild Jade		Sha Armor Kit	None
Ring 1	Dreadful Gladiator's Ring of Accuracy				144 Hit -> Crit
Ring 2	Pulled Grenade Pin				None
Trinket 1	Bubbliest Brightbrew Charm	Bitterest Balebrew Charm	Either works		None
Trinket 2	Iron Protector Talisman				None
Weapon	Inscribed Tiger Staff			Enchant Weapon - River's Song	None

BiS Pre-Raid
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	Name	Gem 1	Gem 2	Enchant	Reforging
Head	Red Smoke Bandana	Austere Primal Diamond	Regal Wild Jade		266 Hit -> Ddodge
Neck	Delicate Necklace of the Golden Lotus				170 Crit -> Dodge
Shoulder	Imperion Spaulders	Subtle Sun's Radiance		Greater Ox Horn Inscription	205 Hit -> Dodge
Back	Blackguard Cape			Enchant Cloak - Greater Protection	177 Hit -> Dodge
Chest	Softfoot Silentwrap	Regal Wild Jade	Subtle Sun's Radiance	Enchant Chest - Superior Stamina	221 Hit -> Dodge
Wrist	Quillpaw Family Bracers			Enchant Bracer - Greater Agility	170 Hit -> Dodge
Gloves	Fingers of the Loneliest Monk			Enchant Gloves - Superior Mastery	237 Expertise -> Dodge
Waist	Klaxxi Lash of the Borrower	Regal Wild Jade	Subtle Sun's Radiance	Living Steel Belt Buckle	156 Crit -> Dodge
Legs	Dreadsworn Slayer Legs	Polished Vermilion Onyx		Ironscale Leg Armor	320 Crit -> Dodge
Feet	Tukka-Tuk's Hairy Boots			Enchant Boots - Blurred Speed	204 Haste -> Dodge
Ring 1	Anji's Keepsake				194 Haste -> Dodge
Ring 2	Pulled Grenade Pin				139 Crit -> Dodge
Trinket 1	Lao-Chin's Liquid Courage				None
Trinket 2	Iron Protector Talisman				None
Weapon	Inscribed Tiger Staff			Enchant Weapon - River's Song	None

Keep in mind that I also factored in Brewfest and Darkmoon Fair into these calcs since they will be available at the start of the raiding season.

The only reason I didn't include Delicate Necklace of the Golden Lotus into the first two lists is due to the time commitment needed to get to Exalted with the Golden Lotus in order to accept the quest that rewards the neck.

As you probably noticed Inscribed Tiger Staff is in all three lists. If you don't have an Inscriptionist to make one, Spear of Xuen, Snowdrift's Bladed Staff, or Amber Spear of Klaxxi'vess will work.

Lastly, and it is something that no one really has noticed, but Meta gems no longer require "x number of y color gems" to activate. Have fun with that.

[Deleted]

thank you :]

[darkkaos]

With this, you can tell us would be estimated as:

Armor:%
Dodge:%
Crit:%
?
Not counting proc's of items and with full raid buffs, bear form and lvl 90 of course.



And thanks for the list.

[Hinalover]

With this, you can tell us would be estimated as:

Armor:%
Dodge:%
Crit:%
?
Not counting proc's of items and with full raid buffs, bear form and lvl 90 of course.



And thanks for the list.

Sure:

Dungeon Gear:

Armor:% 64.8986% against a level 90 toon; 59.4357% against a level 93 toon
Dodge:% 7.0232% pre-DR; 4.9414% Post-DR
Crit:% 32.46%

Dungeon Gear + PvP gear:

Armor:% 64.7459% against a level 90 toon; 59.2741% against a level 93 toon
Dodge:% 7.0887% pre-DR; 4.9949% Post-DR
Crit:% 32.85%

BiS Pre-Raid:

Armor:% 66.5641% against a level 90 toon; 61.2054% against a level 93 toon
Dodge:% 14.3452% pre-DR; 10.9233% Post-DR
Crit:% 28.33%

Edit: Woops! forgot the belt buckle. edited that in.

[Meleti]

Such a ridiculous number of pre-raid rep epics this time around.

---------- Post added 2012-09-23 at 11:42 AM ----------

keep in mind that most of those epics require valor. You can only earn 1,000 Valor a week. They also require Revered with the different factions on Pandaria.

Oh wow, the valor epics require rep now? That's quite a change from previously. I admit, I haven't been paying attention to MOP at all.

[Jellypaw]

Wow this is awesome, thanks so much! Will you be doing a guide for raid gear and beyond as well?

[silentkillin]

What about rep gear? have you looked into what could be supplemented into this with rep gear?

Also not to sound lazy, and I know it is coming off as lazy, but any chance you can put where these items drop (the dungeon at least)?

[Juvencus]

Oh wow, the valor epics require rep now? That's quite a change from previously. I admit, I haven't been paying attention to MOP at all.

There is a set selection of gear at VP vendors but also some alternatives for the same slots at Rep quartermasters that also cost VP and might be BiS over the default ones.

[Jellypaw]

What about rep gear? have you looked into what could be supplemented into this with rep gear?

Also not to sound lazy, and I know it is coming off as lazy, but any chance you can put where these items drop (the dungeon at least)?

The entire BiS list is rep gear.

And when you scroll over any item it tells you at the bottom where it drops from.

[silentkillin]

The entire BiS list is rep gear.

And when you scroll over any item it tells you at the bottom where it drops from.

oh well now I feel like a fool :-)

[Hinalover]

In case people are wondering about Iron Protector Talisman being on all three lists is because the proc rate is absolutely phenomenal. 15% chance on hit for 3,386 dodge rating for 15 seconds with a 45 second ICD.

[silentkillin]

so seeing as how the rep rewards are spread out all over the place, do you guys have a list of which you plan to grind first for the most benefit?

[Dreyen]

is stam really that better compared to, say, mastery? Kinda sad to see stam back as our main stat >.<

[Hinalover]

is stam really that better compared to, say, mastery? Kinda sad to see stam back as our main stat >.<

A few reasons. The main is due to the fact that we lost our Savage Defense bubble; which provided a huge amount of mitigation. That mitigation was being calculated into our effective health. Because of the lost of that bubble, we are back to stacking stam and Mastery/armor to our Effective health of the content. At least for T14 Normal we need around 500k health and ~65% on the character sheet; ~60% against a level 93 target; to reach that EH point. The QUICKEST stat to reach that point is Stamina. However, once we reach that point, we can move some of those stam points into Mastery and dodge. Mastery is our best long-term stat to stay at the effective health point while stamina is our best short-term.

---------- Post added 2012-09-23 at 06:24 PM ----------

oh well now I feel like a fool :-)

I know the quickest rep to get to revered will be the Shado-Pan rep. Just doing the leveling quests in Kun-Lai and Steppes will get you to at least Honored, possibly Revered.

The August Celestials with the Golden Lotus not far behind will take the longest due to the fact that most of the rep requires you to be level 90 and there is little to no leveling quests that rewards rep with either of these two. The Golden Lotus I do believe has 3-4 level 87 quests you can do while leveling but nothing else until 90.

[silentkillin]

so is it stam/master > crit > haste? at what point do we want to get hit exp capped? right off the start so its stam/mastery > hit/exp > crit> haste?

[Hinalover]

With the hit/exp > crit bit. It really depends on whether you want more Rage generation or not. the lists I posted are for pure mitigation only. In Rawr I have a setting so that you can increase your Threat value. By increasing this number you also increase to 100% you also increase your chance to generate more rage which in turn will increase the value of hit/exp, crit and haste.

You know I probably should add a tooltip for that option just in case people are confused by it. I should have that posted tonight.

Edit:

Also Kavan has told me he plans on posting version 5.0.0 or Rawr tomorrow night before midnight.

[silentkillin]

So, i ahve been progression raiding for a long time. (since BC on my hunter) but mostly it has all been on my holy pally. I never used RAWR for it as it was pretty simple really for holy pallies. Where it was you wanted a lot of crit for mana regen it turned into haste. Stack it all and win.

But now my group has need of a tank and I am going guardian (i finsihed this tier out with him and had a blast). Is RAWR really that big of a help in setting up your character? If so, could you point me in the way of a good FAQ for it?

[Dreyen]

Still think i'll gem/reforge mastery and not dodge, it's a more steady stat and not as RNG as dodge, althoguh i can understand dodge scales exponantially since savage defense is a static number.

[silentkillin]

Still think i'll gem/reforge mastery and not dodge, it's a more steady stat and not as RNG as dodge, althoguh i can understand dodge scales exponantially since savage defense is a static number.

that brings up a good question.

is the DR for armor greater or less then the DR for Dodge vs a boss? i think that would really make the decision of which you should gem.

[Dreyen]

Armor has DR, but the benefits are linear. As an exemple, going from 50% DR to 51% is worse than going from 98% to 99%, the second scenario doubles your survival while the previous one increases it only slightly.

I believe avoidance might be linear as well.. cant say for sure however, but with savage defense, the strenght of dodge increases dramatically the more you get.