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    Quote Originally Posted by Envyadams View Post
    Ok im confused why does missiles do more dps vs blast spamming? Either i am just missing something or what but from what I know Blast is our biggest nuke yea? so why are we not suppose to use our biggest nuke during a time where its free dmg? and again if its for to make sure barrage hits with the highest amount of mana then i say shenanigans cause like i said in above post even if i crit with it its still not hitting for very much.
    (I think I got one of these a few pages back)
    according to simcraft (with my gear anyways)


    And if you pre-cast MI when you pre-pot, it's dpet almost doubles.
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    One major goal of blizzard is to kill in 5.2 the 6 stack camping with scorch, I believe the pure haste arcane build relies on scorch camping so will mastery be the optimal prioritization?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emage View Post
    One major goal of blizzard is to kill in 5.2 the 6 stack camping with scorch, I believe the pure haste arcane build relies on scorch camping so will mastery be the optimal prioritization?
    Both builds benefit from 6-stack camping. Haste build allows you to build stacks faster when you have to drop them. This won't be as big a deal when they change the max to 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Both builds benefit from 6-stack camping. Haste build allows you to build stacks faster when you have to drop them. This won't be as big a deal when they change the max to 4.
    Not to mention with Invocation in its current state max-stack camping wasn't going to be an issue anyway; Haste would just be prio'd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaace View Post
    (I think I got one of these a few pages back)
    according to simcraft (with my gear anyways)


    And if you pre-cast MI when you pre-pot, it's dpet almost doubles.
    Aye I have been shown the error of my ways and doing so increased DPS by about 10k when I focus on maximizing Missiles, Now my burst is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Envyadams View Post
    Aye I have been shown the error of my ways and doing so increased DPS by about 10k when I focus on maximizing Missiles, Now my burst is stupid.
    I've realised the same thing a while back, my dps took a stupid bump, enjoy :P.
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    Hi, I've got question. Is it better to pop AM when 100% or fill them in to regain mana from 90-100%? Couse when Im reading previous posts I coulnd have found the answer to my question

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    Quote Originally Posted by squeezer View Post
    Hi, I've got question. Is it better to pop AM when 100% or fill them in to regain mana from 90-100%? Couse when Im reading previous posts I coulnd have found the answer to my question
    If you are at 100% Mana with 2 Missiles procs, better to use Missiles to save yourself effectively wasting a proc.
    If, however, you only have 1 Missiles proc and you're at 100% mana, it's better to Blast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serene View Post
    If you are at 100% Mana with 2 Missiles procs, better to use Missiles to save yourself effectively wasting a proc.
    If, however, you only have 1 Missiles proc and you're at 100% mana, it's better to Blast.

    Only AB if you don't have any/buffs that are up.

    Like... if you're "forced" to invoke, and you have some ICDs up.. then AM at 100% mana.. if they are down, then you fish for a buff + missile proc.
    Missiles is just that good at full mana.

    Most of the time, even if I only have 1 proc of missile.. I will use it! (depending on the buffs that are up, ofcourse!)

    And before anybody asks.. yes,,stormlash procs off each individual missile.
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    Hi there, can anyone give me some insight in how to play arcane mage with invocation? I just can't play with rune of power with so many movement in the current raid bosses.

    Here's my armory link (still mostly blues) http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Amerys/simple
    I reforged to the hit cap, 3056 haste and then all mastery (if i should change anything please do tell me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaruGlory View Post
    Hi there, can anyone give me some insight in how to play arcane mage with invocation? I just can't play with rune of power with so many movement in the current raid bosses.

    Here's my armory link (still mostly blues) http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Amerys/simple
    I reforged to the hit cap, 3056 haste and then all mastery (if i should change anything please do tell me).
    Invocation style arcane only works if you go all out haste + frost armor, I've never seen it written somewhere but I just think it doesnt work with mastery stacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eihwaz View Post
    Invocation style arcane only works if you go all out haste + frost armor, I've never seen it written somewhere but I just think it doesnt work with mastery stacking.
    Aside from that, do you scorch weave with invocation? Or do you burn your mana and then use invocation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaruGlory View Post
    Aside from that, do you scorch weave with invocation? Or do you burn your mana and then use invocation?
    We talked a little bit about it there : http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...arcane-clarity

    You don't have to use scorch at all with the invo/haste build, people began to test this because of the incoming scorch nerf ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eihwaz View Post
    We talked a little bit about it there : http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...arcane-clarity

    You don't have to use scorch at all with the invo/haste build, people began to test this because of the incoming scorch nerf ).
    Tyvm for your quick replies Guess i will regem/reforge for haste once i start getting some epics from raids this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaruGlory View Post
    Tyvm for your quick replies Guess i will regem/reforge for haste once i start getting some epics from raids this week.
    you're welcome
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    Hey, common lurker and a lot of the information here has been helpful I've only had my mage for 3 weeks but already on top

    Anyway, I kind of have a lingering question:

    When building up charges, if I end up getting 2 AM procs on the 2nd or 3rd charge or what you will, is it best to use at least 1 AM? Or just sit on them at 2 until 6 charges and then go on with AT and reg rotation?

    I had a few others, but they slip my mind right now, I'll ask when I remember

    Thanks ^^

  17. #577
    I've kinda hit a wall regarding gemming/reforging, so I'm hoping for some help:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ipper/advanced

    What would you change? I was going for a Haste build with ABx6, scorch until AM. Is this wrong? And what about my gemming/reforging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs View Post
    I've kinda hit a wall regarding gemming/reforging, so I'm hoping for some help:


    What would you change? I was going for a Haste build with ABx6, scorch until AM. Is this wrong? And what about my gemming/reforging?
    Your rotation is wrong, not your gemming (although you could use a tad more hit). If you're using RoP, ABx6 and then alternate AB with scorch and missiles to stay at around 85/90% mana. Try invocation, it's much more forgiving. For invocation, burn through mana with AB, using missiles on proc. Evocate at 30% mana or if you need to refresh Invoker's buff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridedc View Post
    Your rotation is wrong, not your gemming (although you could use a tad more hit). If you're using RoP, ABx6 and then alternate AB with scorch and missiles to stay at around 85/90% mana. Try invocation, it's much more forgiving. For invocation, burn through mana with AB, using missiles on proc. Evocate at 30% mana or if you need to refresh Invoker's buff.
    I've also been using the haste/invo build but a tad differently. When around ~77% mana, I tap evocation for 1 tick of the mana back in case Invoker's Energy buff is not running out just yet ( still >15s left ). I'm trying to not use full evocations unless my invo buff runs out. Usually I have to do it 1-2 times before going down on mana for a full evocation depending on AP use, mana gem and AM procs.

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    All these people using "the best way". Can we see some logs?

    I just assume "i do lots of dps" is only around 70-80k single target..
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