The Liberal Gamer Dichotomy

[stabetha]

Wait, is it 1957 and I missed something?

yup just sweep the past under the rug.

[Wells]

yup just sweep the past under the rug.

If you think that's the same party as today then he's not the one who's unfamiliar with the past.

[Spectral]

yup just sweep the past under the rug.

No, I think everyone should know how terribly fucked up the historical racism of the American South is, and understand that this has been the seat of power for conservatives since the United States became a country. I think they should also understand that "Republican" and is not synonymous with "conservative" and that "Democrat" is not synonymous with "liberal".

[Faerillis]

*looks at the US Election - Republican topic page count of 1288*
*looks at the US Election - Democrat topic page count of 454*

Hmm, I don't really believe that people on here are naturally of the left, many members aren't even old enough to vote and many are more likely to be at the centre of the political spectrum, believing that there are rights and wrongs to both sides of the political spectrum.

Which Spectrum? Left and Right Wings are subjective to most countries ie To my Canadian Sensibilities most Democrats would be in the Right-Wing of the Spectrum, while most Republicans would be so far Right that you'd think they were Strawmen if you didn't know otherwise (talking Representatives and Pundits, not the voters where there is far more variance). The Republican discussion is more active because of the constant stream of (being polite) Events that keep occurring during Romney's bid for Presidency, and the inflammatory nature of the debates.

But the matter jmt brings up can be attributed solely to one thing: Reality. Games are not reality, and our actions within the community and economy have no notable Real World effect — coupled with an economy with Price Floors, unlimited money without inflation, Money Sinks (ie when buying from a vendor your gold does not remain in circulation), no physical survival needs to take care of, an actual 1:1 Ratio of Effort to Gold, etc... there is no need for intervention. In the Real World that isn't the case.

[Sunseeker]

My Draenei warrior never needs to eat, any food she eats is purely for buffs. She will never suffer from obesity from eating too much or malnutrition from me not playing her for 3 months. She doesn't need to work out to maintain her strength or practice her skills in order to keep them sharp, she only needs to don magical armor in order to improve. She doesn't need a home, or water, or sewer, or electricity, she will never run out of money from having no professions, and all she needs to do is pick up a rare BOE to get-rich-quick. Resources in the world respawn on a specific timer, goods are finite only in the amount of time you're willing to put into getting them, otherwise goods are infinite. The world does not require systems of mass-transit to get people or goods from one side to the other that have damaging effects on the environment or require huge amounts of raw materials to develop.

Quite frankly: the systems of the real world don't apply at all to games. The apparent dichotomy is false.

[Wells]

My Draenei warrior never needs to eat, any food she eats is purely for buffs. She will never suffer from obesity from eating too much or malnutrition from me not playing her for 3 months. She doesn't need to work out to maintain her strength or practice her skills in order to keep them sharp, she only needs to don magical armor in order to improve. She doesn't need a home, or water, or sewer, or electricity, she will never run out of money from having no professions, and all she needs to do is pick up a rare BOE to get-rich-quick. Resources in the world respawn on a specific timer, goods are finite only in the amount of time you're willing to put into getting them, otherwise goods are infinite. The world does not require systems of mass-transit to get people or goods from one side to the other that have damaging effects on the environment or require huge amounts of raw materials to develop.

Quite frankly: the systems of the real world don't apply at all to games. The apparent dichotomy is false.

If I make a ton of gold buying up all the cloth and reselling it no one loses their job or goes hungry.

[Sunseeker]

If I make a ton of gold buying up all the cloth and reselling it no one loses their job or goes hungry.

Exactly, noone has to reroll their character, noones children are denied an education, nothing happens except maybe you don't make as much money today as you would have.

[Wells]

Right so I can be as big a Scrooge McDick in WoW or whatever and still be perfectly fine as a liberal. Just like how my pacifistic ideals don't prevent me from reveling in the blood orgy that is Borderlands.

Shit ain't real.

[obdigore]

Right so I can be as big a Scrooge McDick in WoW or whatever and still be perfectly fine as a liberal. Just like how my pacifistic ideals don't prevent me from reveling in the blood orgy that is Borderlands.

Shit ain't real.

The bomb making girl is horrible. Something horribly horribly wrong there.

[Booshman]

Don't forget the democrats support for Jim Crow laws and the KKK.

Don't forget that those were still conservatives.

[Masark]

very far from the truth

Far closer to the truth than should be the case in the USA.



This chart shows the level of effect your parent's income has on your income.

and I know quite a lot of racist liberals doesn't mean they all are.Don't forget the democrats support for Jim Crow laws and the KKK.

And the parties basically switched places in the 60s thanks to Nixon's southern strategy.

[ptwonline]

If I make a ton of gold buying up all the cloth and reselling it no one loses their job or goes hungry.

Unless someone worked in a Chinese gaming workshop and that was their method of meeting their quota!

[Daelak]

that's just a cop out. Statistics can say what ever the person making them up want them to say. I don't ever bring my race up on this site but I'll just my skin is darker then some, and sure that may have made things harder for me but I never used that as an excuse, I used it as motivation. I told my story a few times here so I won't go over it again but let me just say I am a true American success story and proof that the American dream is alive and well no matter what color you skin is.

Just stop right here. It is getting awkward reading your posts because it is making you look ignorant. Anecdotal evidence for any of your opinions and beliefs is not impressive, and your dismissive attitude towards statistics is not a plus. Also your signature implies that a president was responsible for the unemployment of millions of Americans thereby forcing them into social assistance programs, a completely unsubstantiated claim that you probably have no evidence for.

[Puremallace]

People are sort of missing this guys point. You can tell who is liberal and who is conservative real fast in mmo's. Just bring up the topic of getting gear easier in a game. Hell you can sit here and rank the mmo's

Guild Wars 2: Communist society that has no upper class (healers) or specific roles. Everyone is the same and there is no gear/currency dependency. "We are all equal in the end"

WoW: Socialism - Redistribution of gear and easier access to gear via LFR or welfare epics

Rift/TOR: Leans Right: Harder to acquire gear, but the progression paths are there "if you work hard enough"

Aion: Extreme right(Facist) - small percent of population controls Auction House/gear/materials. Small percent controls resources such as forts and raids.

[Reeve]

No one in WoW needs gold for survival. Almost as importantly, people in WoW really do start out with an equal playing field. In WoW, you don't have a baby at age 16 and end up no longer able to run dungeons because you have to spend so much time gold farming just to support your baby.

[ptwonline]

Far closer to the truth than should be the case in the USA.



This chart shows the level of effect your parent's income has on your income.

Alas, show that chart to conservatives and most of the time they'll say something like "See? The welfare nanny-state makes people dependent and lazy!"

[Puremallace]

GW2 sounds very appealing from that thing alone.

You think I am shitting you, but compare the GW2 philosophy of game design to the communist party design. The "we are all on the same level", "Everyone is equal and balanced", "Gear/Wealth are not the main goals at end game"

[ptwonline]

You think I am shitting you, but compare the GW2 philosophy of game design to the communist party design. The "we are all on the same level", "Everyone is equal and balanced", "Gear/Wealth are not the main goals at end game"

Um, that's not Communism.

[Puremallace]

Um, that's not Communism.

Karl Marx would like to have a word with you. That is the basic premise. GW2 makes communist ideas cool and new.

Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

[Leonard McCoy]

Karl Marx would like to have a word with you. That is the basic premise. GW2 makes communist ideas cool and new.

Right out of wikipedia lmao.... I'd be shocked if any of you had actually read Marx...