guys,i'm watching wol,no surv hunter over any boss in the first 10 positions,only some bm,10 & 25,so i don't think discriminate bm, is the way,yes you don't like bm cause bad pet ai?cause requires an high micromanagement?ok,but you cannot say that surv is better than bm,cause that's not the surv patch.However,playing wow about 5 years,always played only surv / MM every tier,let bm shine and try the spec,some problems have been fixed,but trying it will not cost you anything,the damage is fine,not 1st spec on burst or aoe,but not last too.(sorry for bad english XP)
People should stop with that feng obession. He is ONE kind of encounter. Yeah, we do ok single dps. Wow. Too bad that most of encounters are not based on single target damage. And the hunter class is not made for anything but single dps ( ok sv got massive AOE dps). It will be back to one slot per raid, or even none. Atleast for seriously raiders, method, fth already filtering out hunters and replace them with rogues or warlocks. Np
But yeah, hunter is fine.
Be very careful when doing comparisons based on the Top X of anything, as you're specifically asking for a set of outlying data.
And from what I see, if you are benching Hunters for serious raiding, you are doing it wrong, Hunters are the most mobile class and are top DPS with (now in Mists) great burst capabilities.
If you want to play top dps you should go WL. Because they provide top dps.
A top dps class should contribute dps in all kind of encounters. WL does that. Hunter only do dps in single target based encounters, there is no top dps for hunters in several encounters. Hunters do ok-good dps in 2/6 vault encounters. If thats top dps for you, ok.
A top dps class should be able to adept for several encounters, like it is the case for mages or warlocks. That is a top dps class. Hunter class doesn't even provide more single target dps than any other classes, and totally fall behind in multi target encounter.
Last edited by Jiav; 2012-10-05 at 11:36 AM.
Quilens are 2-target cleave.
Feng is Singletarget.
Spiritbinder is singletarget (adds in shadow realm are favored by heavy burst AOE when they spawn closely together, which hunters *also* has).
Four Kings are singletarget.
Elegon is singletarget.
Will of the Emperor is *heavy* aoe (6 targets) and singletarget (and as said, hunters have the AOE part down).
So you're complaining about the first, and easiest, of the bosses in the raid instance that's been released so far ?
And I don't get how you think Method's filtering out their hunters. They've had 2 hunters on every of their first kills. So has FTH. With 11 classes, each having 1 dps spec (and things like druids and shamans having 2 distinctively different specs), and space for 17 dps, having 2 of them as hunters doesn't seem badly represented at all in top guilds, does it ;P?
The only thing I can see that's REALLY broken right now, would be ret pallies. They're in for a buff. Ele shamans are in for a nerf, and so are healing monks. Apart from that, we're quite allright on the balance, really.
I can't speak from a lot of experience since my highest Hunter is Lvl 65, but I've been doing several heroics and I'm seeing Hunters topping the DPS Charts most of the time. But these are skilled Hunters that know the class VERY well.
So, unless you bring us some numbers that can, somehow, disprove that "good" hunters are handling raids just fine right now, and prove that in fact we ARE doing badly, apart from your constant "BUT WE CAN'T CLEAVE!", then please, stop it. Right now you're just trolling, trying to provoke responses by posting useless comments that has no base in reality. Feel free to show us how badly we're doing next week, but untill then, unless you get some hard data that proves we're doing bad (which would mean proving I've broken the game, or that every other class are underperforming), you've got nothing left to say here.
I've noticed that with my hunter too, my damage has gone down considerably.
As for hard data that the guy you are talking to is looking for, there isn't really any. The fact is that Hunters do fine at present but not wonderfully so. If you play a Hunter well, you do well. If your learning the class or coping with the class changes, you won't do so well. That is really all there is to it. No hard data needed on it.
Just ignore draco hunters aren't in a good place right now there damage is lacking compared to other classes and there rotations are awful
And the game isn't balanced on 463 iLvl, it's balanced on Heroic raiding gear(as it has always been). Right now WoL is full of RNG logs, since everyone has logged themselves only once and nobody at the moment has any intention of getting "buff stacked" to get that WoL rank without BiS gear.
But let's take a look at Feng 10 man, for each class, just to see:
DK - 67.5K.
Boomkin - 62.3K.
Feral - 69.9K.
Hunter - 66.5K.
Mage - 67.4K.
Monk - 62.6K.
Ret - 61.7K.
Spriest - 57K.
Rogue - 65.4K.
Ele Shaman - 64.7K.
Enh Shaman - 63.5K.
Warlock - 67.6K.
Warrior - 64.4K.
Counting ele shamans, enh shamans, feral druids, and boomkins as "different" specs, due to different gear and concepts.
So, hunters have been beat by 4 specs of 13, and beats 8 specs out of 13. We're slightly above average. Are you expecting to get buffed up from average to high, just because you're a hunter? Someone HAS to be average.
Not only that, the difference between hunters and top end (feral druid) is less than 5%. The difference between hunters and the lowest (shadow priest) is 14.3%. So we're 14% from the bottom, and 5% from the top. The median is 63.5K dps (right between the top and the bottom). The average DPS for each spec should be 64.6K.
We're above the median, we're above the average, we're the most mobile class, and we have the most potent AOE.
You're doing bad, because you're a worse player than the one's you are up against.
Wowprogress finally loaded up they have it at 146 guilds world wide in a mix of 10 and 25 that is still a drop in the bucket nothing more.
Last edited by Tyrven; 2012-10-05 at 01:14 PM.