im running MM atm and i seem to be down on damage/dps as well - although i know ppl have said BM is the way to go atm, just havent tried it - i usually see myself as around 3-4k lower than the rest, sometimes more(some of that is down to being a clicker, i know) - ill try Bm and see what happens
Dpending on the fight I usually do 35-45k I believe, ilvl 452 with a 450 weapon. I tend to do more dps as SV than BM but not a expert at playing BM so that could be why. AoE as BM feels completely worthless so I tend to stick with SV in dungeons.
you are missing 2 statsticks sinds the pre patch.. thats why
It's mostly, as said, an issue of people not having their gear properly optimised, not having proper gear, or not having had the time to adjust to the changes in the different specs. I did the exact same DPS in the pre-patch, as I did in the 4.3 patch, but I had to incorporate both Murder of Crows and Dire beast into my cycle, along with Readiness, effectively giving me a shitton of extra buttons to handle for the same dps as I did before. This has just increased by another two (stampede and glaive toss). Give it a little time, read up on the optimal way to play your hunter, gem and reforge correct (it matters).
My damage does really feel like it's lacking but I'm pretty optimistic. I say that because I felt the same at the beginning of Cataclysm. Our stats are crap right now as we hit 90 and start doing heroics. I don't even have half the hit/expertise I need. So I'll be captain obvious and say that as we gear up and our stats start to level out we'll be back on track.
I can only report my findings, all of which are that currently, I'm performing on-par or higher than my guild members, and when we're talking a top 25 guild, it's generally full of very skilled people. I'm not saying anyone who isn't topping meters as a Hunter is a bad player, but I think people are having an issue where there really isn't any - wait till you get more gear and then make the judgement calls. If blizzard feels we are under powered, I'll be more than happy because that means I'll get a buff and when I already consider my damage to be very respectable, I'm going to be doing even more of it. I echo almost word for word what dracodraco is saying.
With this said, I have absolutely no idea how our damage will look in 2 weeks with raid gear, or 2 months with heroic gear. But currently, my damage feels fine.
OT; I am not getting to bent out of shape over the lack of damage considering it's always like this for Hunters, we simple do not scale as well as other classes. Though, I would be a liar if I said it wasn't getting to me. Whenever I am grouped with a balance Druid, elemental Shaman or a ret paladin they just blow me out of the water.
I said that if you are in an instance with random players, you can't just quickly inspect them to get an idea of how well they're geared, unless you have a supercomputer for a brain. You'd need to look them up on the armory in order to see if they're hit and expertise capped, if they're reforging right, what their average item level is, etc.
What someone's gear, who you haven't even met is, does not matter. You can't compare to him anyway as you have no actual DPS to compare to. You can just see if he's fucked up his characters optimization, that's about it. And gear increases at such a rapid rate right now, that one day might have you jump 5-10 item levels anyway, so the data would probably be outdated anyway.
I feel like our damage is fine. BM does great single target and has among the best burst in the game period. Survival AoE is probably the best in the game as well, tied with Demo Locks. I have yet to feel inferior to anyone except Prot Warriors and Bears... but I think it's pretty obvious how absurd the new Vigilance has made those 2 classes for trash DPS.
I'm not sure where all this "woe are we our DPS is awful" talk is coming from. Are we playing the same class? It's fine.
Guild mate doing 65k+ on single target as surv tho he has most of the 463 gear.
"RETARD" is as offensive as the "N world"... stop using it!
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Though damage may be fine once we get enough gear, I miss the old strength of the 44 cost Explosive Shot. It felt worthy of casting, you know? Now it feels like a filler between our new signature ability, Arcane Shot.