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    [Books] Most Disturbing Book You Have Ever Read

    My top 2:

    1. "Lord of the Flies" - by William Golding.
    2. "The Picture of Dorian Gray" - by Oscar Wilde

    And please don't bring Henry Miller or De Sade into this.
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    "The Prince" - (Though if taken as a satire, which is one interpretation, it may not be as disturbing.)

    Some of the books in "Sword of Truth" series... Darken Rahl was pretty depraved, some of what he did turned my stomach.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    "The Prince" - (Though if taken as a satire, which is one interpretation, it may not be as disturbing.)
    The Prince as in Il Principe? What's disturbing about it? It's a great book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    The Prince as in Il Principe? What's disturbing about it? It's a great book.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince

    The way of controlling/governing people described in the book is pretty disturbing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince

    The way of controlling/governing people described in the book is pretty disturbing.
    Disturbing? It's the epitome of realpolitik. It's realism, if reality disturbs you...well, that's weird?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Disturbing? It's the epitome of realpolitik. It's realism, if reality disturbs you...well, that's weird?
    Uh... no, it is authoritarian, and amoral. Bordering on sadistic in some parts.

    Treating people like that is disturbing. Reality is not close(in modern times in the West) to what that book advocates. There may be parallels from time to time, but those are usually called out as being "Machiavellian" which is not a "good" thing to be called out as.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Uh... no, it is authoritarian, and amoral. Bordering on sadistic in some parts.

    Treating people like that is disturbing. Reality is not close(in modern times in the West) to what that book advocates. There may be parallels from time to time, but those are usually called out as being "Machiavellian" which is not a "good" thing to be called out as.
    You do understand the time period it was written in yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Uh... no, it is authoritarian, and amoral. Bordering on sadistic in some parts.

    Treating people like that is disturbing. Reality is not close(in modern times in the West) to what that book advocates. There may be parallels from time to time, but those are usually called out as being "Machiavellian" which is not a "good" thing to be called out as.
    Yes, it's authoritarian, amoral and all that, but most people engaging in politics are just like that. You seem to have a very rosy picture of realpolitik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helden View Post
    You do understand the time period it was written in yes?
    Even for the time, if it is viewed as a satire, it was making fun of exactly what it was trying to portray:

    As discussed by Johnston (1958) many authors have historically argued that "the book is, first and foremost, a satire, so that many of the things we find in it which are morally absurd, specious, and contradictory, are there quite deliberately in order to ridicule ... the very notion of tyrannical rule". Hence, Johnston says, "the satire has a firm moral purpose – to expose tyranny and promote republican government."

    This position was the standard one in Europe during the 18th century, amongst the Enlightenment philosophes. Diderot thought it was a satire.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pr...e_or_as_deceit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Yes, it's authoritarian, amoral and all that, but most people engaging in politics are just like that. You seem to have a very rosy picture of realpolitik.
    Only if you want to play it that way. And the politicians that do, tend to be ones that most people would probably not want to elect.

    Hillary tried to pull some of this stuff with Obama when he was running against her.

    Politics should be about the people you are trying to represent, not for self gain, or stroking your ego. And if it has become that, you should be voted out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Some of the books in "Sword of Truth" series... Darken Rahl was pretty depraved, some of what he did turned my stomach.
    I was more disturbed by the good guys. The hero pulls a sword on a ten-year-old and threatens to gut her for the crime of being a brat, and the heroine mind controls a guy into cutting his balls off and devouring them. Although admittedly I never bothered reading past book 1, I hear the series goes downhill fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    I was more disturbed by the good guys. The hero pulls a sword on a ten-year-old and threatens to gut her for the crime of being a brat, and the heroine mind controls a guy into cutting his balls off and devouring them. Although admittedly I never bothered reading past book 1, I hear the series goes downhill fast.
    Yeah... I think the authors stand on objectivism made the whole series a bit... "off".

    But some of the writing was so immoral, and the described visuals so... uh... evil/amoral, it was a challenge to get through the books.

    I liked The Elric Of Melnibone world more, and the immorality was more "palatable", with Elric being the anti-hero/Eternal Champion(of balance)



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    I found The Descent by Jeff Long to be very disturbing but in a good way. It's full of savagery and macabre imagery.
    Orwell's 1984 also disturbed me but left me feeling bleak and generally unhappy.

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    "Haunted" by Chuck Palahnuik. Read it because I LOVED Fight Club, turns out he's something of a one hit wonder because Haunted was utter loose stool water, the most fucker up, pointlessly disgusting book I've ever read.
    Reading A Song of Ice and Fire is like playing with an adorable puppy, then someone comes up out of nowhere, shoots the puppy and punches you in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Only if you want to play it that way. And the politicians that do, tend to be ones that most people would probably not want to elect.

    Hillary tried to pull some of this stuff with Obama when he was running against her.

    Politics should be about the people you are trying to represent, not for self gain, or stroking your ego. And if it has become that, you should be voted out.
    As I said, you have a very rosy image of politics. The reality is far from that.

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    Blood Meridian, or the Evening Redness in the West by Cormac McCarthy.

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    Don't read many disturbing books so I'll just say Sphere even though it wasn't too bad. I read it when I was like 12-15 at about 2am and it scared the heck out of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince

    The way of controlling/governing people described in the book is pretty disturbing.
    In that case, 1984 by George Orwell was pretty up there. I haven't read The Prince though.

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    Johnny Got His Gun.

    The horror of the protagonist's situation *shudder*

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