Feral DPS is definitely one of the strongest, if not the strongest, single target DPS spec for the time being (in a raid environment).
A quick look at World of Logs shows Frost DKs, Rogues and Mages doing 50% more DPS than Feral on 2 of the first 3 bosses. Feral does about average damage on Feng which is a Patchwerk fight. It looks like Feral DPS was balanced around Patchwerk fights which typically account for about 10% of bosses. The Patchwerk Boss happened to be the 2nd Boss in this expansion but that does not bode well for the rest of the expansion.
How long do you think this HOTW will last? a Month? Just curious what peoples thoughts are seeing as a DPS increase would mean rolling on a Spell power weapon.
Always choose a lazy person to the a difficult job!
He will find an easy way to do it.
Also, except for tiny tiny sections of spirit kings and elegon, fights 2-5 of MV are almost entirely single target.
You both are being premature here. This is only the first week and it isn't even finished yet. We won't start getting real results for another few weeks. Right now RNG luck with gear could be just as much to do with rankings as anything else.
Numbers from 25 mans are not producing the same results as 10's. We are high in the pack but by no means leading it. My mention of RNG was refering to gear only. Those of us who have been lucky in the first few days will do much better then classes who have been boned in heroics. IE, the mage sporting the blue helm with no meta gem can still rank, but wont' do very well vs the the guy who has already gotten 2p off of Sha of Fear. When folks have actually gotten some gear and learned the fights we will have a better picture of who can do what.
Our druid on elegon was doing 120kish dps bleeds are so op with dream of cen or w/e
I don't think that the feral community is actually informed enough for RaidBot to be an accurate assessment of the spec's potential, especially considering its non-simplicity. As you hinted at, the spread between some of the top feral parses and where most are is ginormous, moreso than probably any class.
I'm not sure I would agree with not informed enough, since the default is top 100 average that will eventually reflect the specs potential. I do agree it is too early. There is not enough data yet and players are still honing their skills. I was just trying to point out that the data we have so far does not indicate Feral is going to be Top tier DPS spec when averaged over all bosses. However I do think you can say Feral is much better than it was in Cataclysm, although in my opinion that s not saying very much. To compare to WotLK since our rotation is very similar, Kitties were typically top DPS on a tank and spec, poor on cleave fights and average to slightly above average on movement heavy fights, depending on the exact mechanics. Overall this left us slightly above average depending on which instance you are talking. There were some other factors at work too. Gear itemization was not great for Feral in Ulduar and Coliseum. But Feral was strong in Ulduar because we had just been buffed. Feral was having substantial scaling issues but there were 3 things that gave Feral a huge boost in Icecrown. A gigantic set bonus on T10, Armor Pen passed the tipping point where you wanted to stack as much as you could get and was a very favorable stat to Feral, and the gear was perfectly itemized for Feral. Blizzard massively buffed Rogues going into Icecrown where they did not need to itemize the gear to favor Rogues over Feral anymore. This is still an issue we are dealing with today. Even though Blizzard has overhauled Rogues and Kitties twice since WotLK we are still designed to favor different secondary stats. It is better in MoP now that Expertise and Hit are no longer terrible for Feral however it is still why you are seeing so much haste on everything. The secondary stats Blizzard puts on the gear is a big factor on how a spec ends up performing, considering how much better Rogues did than Feral in Cataclysm it is hard to understand why Blizzard constantly favored Rogues on itemization.
Last edited by teddabear; 2012-10-07 at 07:01 PM.
What do you mean by Top Tier? As in, after all dps is averaged (or normalized and averaged), does top tier mean the top 5 specs? top 3 specs? top spec?
Inaccuracies of anecdotal evidence aside, I'm in a top raiding guild whose members consistently have very high dps and there are a handful of us who hit #1 parses in WoL on a regular basis. On every fight from Feng to Elegon, my feral was straight up 5-10k above the second highest player in the raid (discounting tanks). I sucked horribly on Will of the Emperors since I didn't raid on beta and we 2-shot the fight so didn't have time to learn the dance well, and I tanked stone guards so no relevant data there, but there should be no reason we're behind anyone on Will. We wouldn't compare well against mages or rogues on stone guards but then those classes aren't top tier in most other fights, so ... what's our competition for top tier dps?
There is now enough data for 10man Normal to show up on Raidbot.
Stone Guard - 19th
Feng - 6th
Spirit Kings - 9th
Garajal - 7th
Elegob - 12th
Will of the Emperor - 13th
Average - 11th
Classes in game - 11
Edit: Definitely not indicative. There just isn't a statistically significant sample size of feral druids yet. Top average parsing dps for elegon is 104k for ferals? That's not even close to potential, not when there are ferals doing 170k.
Last edited by kaiadam; 2012-10-12 at 06:23 PM.
The numbers are skewed due to WoL's not seperating Normal and Heroic raids. You can also see that some fights do not even have 200 ferals listed having completed the fight. It will take at least a month of heroic raids (IE 3 more weeks) and WoL's to fix their issues before Raidbots will have any real information.