Hold up, WTF happened to rogues?

[Dcruize]

For PvE, yeah. But this isn't PvE, and so the stat wages can be throw out of the window because they mean nothing.

Mastery and after that Crit are both far better for short term burst damage than Haste. Everytime you cap energy, the value of haste is absolutely zero.

Based on PVP theorycrafting, not PVE. Capping energy doesn't appear to be a problem for me in the slightest and even if it was it's nothing a quick shuirken toss wouldn't fix if you took that talent, but whatever, reforge how you want.

[Evolixe]

I love the people in here that act like Season 11 lasted seven years and Rogues were always top melee. Its hilarious to see some posters here who said Rogues had too much control and pvp cooldowns in Season 11, but now want Rogues to have more utility and believe "Rogue damage is fine."

Has anyone here actually seen Rogue damage against plate? Its absolutely atrocious. Those 8k Mutilate crits are scary. The only time Rogues can actually do any form of damage is from burst, but that burst doesn't even compare to BM or Arms. So what is exactly the point of playing a Rogue again?

You're playing the wrong spec, bro.

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Based on PVP theorycrafting, not PVE. Capping energy doesn't appear to be a problem for me in the slightest and even if it was it's nothing a quick shuirken toss wouldn't fix if you took that talent, but whatever, take what you want.

"Gets CC'd!" Woops capped.

Mastery is better. Without the slightest sense of doubt. Crit comes a second but really, neither crit nor haste are really good. Crit just happens to be not useless after coming back with a full energy bar.

[Zeek Daniels]

Why are they so shitty in MoP? I thought everything was supposed to balance out at 90. I'm not sure if they got nerfed too much or other classes just got buffed, but this class is shitty.

You do know that in a truely balanced game every class is shitty in terms of no class is superior to another. So if you define a shitty class as one that cant 9 times out of 10 nuke every other class then your not gonna like balance.

Now iono wats up with rogues or why they are complaining but im pretty sure as you get more and more gear blizz will either realize they did their maths wrong and buff you or youll realize that you were whining for nothing and all you needed was more gear. In a gear based game this happens. Blizz usually waits for ppl to get gear b4 doing anything drastic unless there is something really wrong.

[Evolixe]

You do know that in a truely balanced game every class is shitty in terms of no class is superior to another. So if you define a shitty class as one that cant 9 times out of 10 nuke every other class then your not gonna like balance.

Now iono wats up with rogues or why they are complaining but im pretty sure as you get more and more gear blizz will either realize they did their maths wrong and buff you or youll realize that you were whining for nothing and all you needed was more gear. In a gear based game this happens. Blizz usually waits for ppl to get gear b4 doing anything drastic unless there is something really wrong.

Arena Pass provides full Malevolent T2. And really damage is not the issue.

The lack of consistency is the problem. The cooldowns are simply too long.