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    Affliction trinkets

    I was wondering what trinkets to use pre-raid as affliction. I see a lot of people with the brewfest one but I wonder if the two blue trinkets from Siege of Niuzao and Gate of the Setting Sun would be better. I'm not that good at simming so could use some help.

    Edit:

    These two trinkets:
    Vision of the Predator
    Flashfrozen Resin Globule

    vs

    Mithril Wristwatch

    Especially since the on use effect can be stacked with Dark Soul it seems better. Plus hit>crit atm for most people.
    Last edited by zaheer12a; 2012-09-30 at 10:20 PM.

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    I was wondering this too! Int/Hit are a lot more important at this point but obviously the high stats from the Wristwatch may eclipse the heroic trinkets.

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    Use the two dungeon trinkets. The Mithril Stopwatch is a pretty bad trinket but a good one for quick loot and a replacement for the green questing trinkets. I simmed with the mithril stopwatch and the flashfrozen globule and lost 327 dps vs the two heroic trinkets (me being in full BiS gear). Crit being our last secondary stat and the proc being Spell Power and not intellect, plus the proc only last 10 seconds. It's pretty shitty.
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    My calculations and results assuming reforges go into highest stat-weight stat (using pre-raid gear stat-weights):

    Flashfrozen Resin Globule:
    Hit->Haste

    339*1.74 + 508*1.49 + 4232*(25/150)*3.53 = 3836.6

    Mithril Wristwatch:
    Crit->Haste

    362*1.74 + 542*1.07 + 5082(10/60)*2.75 = 3539


    Vision of the Predator:
    No Reforge:

    847*3.53 + 3386*(30/105)*1.07 = 4025


    That puts it as
    1. Vision of the Predator
    2. Flashfrozen Resin Globule
    3. Mithril Wristwatch

    I estimated the SP statweight as being around halfway between int and haste for affliction pre-raid. if it's a much higher value than it could very well be above flashfrozen, but I don't have the time at the moment to run a simulation in pre-raid gear to get pre-raid spellpower values. This is also assuming that it has a 60 second ICD. The comments on wowhead say it could be 70 which would reduce it's value significantly.

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    Let me carlify. With the optimal BiS gear set for affliction its a 327 dps loss using it. I can confirm that with proper simcrafting, geming, enchanting, etc with my own gear.
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    Can anyone clarify the DPS values between these? I'm kind of confused of which two I should go for once the darkmoon faire comes out. I just got my hands on a serpent deck thus why I'm curious.

    Vision of the Predator, Zen Alchemist Stone and Relic of Yu'lon

    I know the DMF Card will have highest priority (derr ;P) but which has the second between vision and Alchemist stone? This is going to be my first tier of playing a warlock so I still have a lot to learn ._.

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    Thanks Brusalk and Palmz. I had a feeling the epic trinket was no good

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    Vision of the Predator:
    No Reforge:

    847*3.53 + 3386*(30/105)*1.07 = 4025

    Zen Alchemist Stone:
    Mastery->Haste

    300*1.74 + 547*1.73 + 4561*(15/55)*3.53 = 5859

    Relic of Yu'lon
    No Reforge:

    956*3.53 + 3027*(15/50)*3.53 = 6580





    Zen Alchemist Stone + Relic of Yu'lon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    Vision of the Predator:
    No Reforge:

    847*3.53 + 3386*(30/105)*1.07 = 4025

    Zen Alchemist Stone:
    Mastery->Haste

    300*1.74 + 547*1.73 + 4561*(15/55)*3.53 = 5859

    Relic of Yu'lon
    No Reforge:

    956*3.53 + 3027*(15/50)*3.53 = 6580





    Zen Alchemist Stone + Relic of Yu'lon
    Cool thank you.

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    Thanks for the breakdown Brusalk, also thank you Palmz it's always good to find solid information on these forums.

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    Re thread bump

    >> Anyone know how the Ghost Iron Dragonling (http://www.wowhead.com/item=77530) compares to the ones mentioned in this thread ?
    I would have thought it be an increase on the Zen Alch stone (which i already find weird being above the hc trinkets but hey) but not seeing it mentionned anywhere seems weird. Probably because of the cogs, but hit haste mastery is pretty standard for affli

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eiffeltower View Post
    Re thread bump

    >> Anyone know how the Ghost Iron Dragonling (http://www.wowhead.com/item=77530) compares to the ones mentioned in this thread ?
    I would have thought it be an increase on the Zen Alch stone (which i already find weird being above the hc trinkets but hey) but not seeing it mentionned anywhere seems weird. Probably because of the cogs, but hit haste mastery is pretty standard for affli
    Responded to you in the other thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    Vision of the Predator:
    No Reforge:

    847*3.53 + 3386*(30/105)*1.07 = 4025

    Zen Alchemist Stone:
    Mastery->Haste

    300*1.74 + 547*1.73 + 4561*(15/55)*3.53 = 5859

    Relic of Yu'lon
    No Reforge:

    956*3.53 + 3027*(15/50)*3.53 = 6580





    Zen Alchemist Stone + Relic of Yu'lon
    Bump, always good to see hard numbers. Now time to make friends with an inscriptionist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    Vision of the Predator:
    No Reforge:

    847*3.53 + 3386*(30/105)*1.07 = 4025

    Zen Alchemist Stone:
    Mastery->Haste

    300*1.74 + 547*1.73 + 4561*(15/55)*3.53 = 5859

    Relic of Yu'lon
    No Reforge:

    956*3.53 + 3027*(15/50)*3.53 = 6580





    Zen Alchemist Stone + Relic of Yu'lon
    In this calculation Zen Alchemist Stone has a 55s ICD?
    I'm asking because I was testing the uptime and it took around 3 minutes for the proc to happen.
    Is there a bug or am I reading this calculations wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skimper View Post
    In this calculation Zen Alchemist Stone has a 55s ICD?
    I'm asking because I was testing the uptime and it took around 3 minutes for the proc to happen.
    Is there a bug or am I reading this calculations wrong?
    Have seen a few people say it's broken. I'm swapping it out for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skimper View Post
    In this calculation Zen Alchemist Stone has a 55s ICD?
    I'm asking because I was testing the uptime and it took around 3 minutes for the proc to happen.
    Is there a bug or am I reading this calculations wrong?
    I simply went with the reported ICD on the trinket. This is assuming 100% proc chance and that nothings broken, so the numbers are likely lower than listed for trinkets that are not on-use.

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    im not so goodwith numbers and was wondering how good is the DMC trinket compared to other raid(lfr/normal/heroic) trinkets. i have 1 and dont know if its gonna be like the cata volcanic deck(bis for 2+ tiers) or just a good trinket but replaced in the first raid on heroic. wondering if i should sell it or use it

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaamila View Post
    im not so goodwith numbers and was wondering how good is the DMC trinket compared to other raid(lfr/normal/heroic) trinkets. i have 1 and dont know if its gonna be like the cata volcanic deck(bis for 2+ tiers) or just a good trinket but replaced in the first raid on heroic. wondering if i should sell it or use it
    It's BiS even if you take all of the heroic gear from Terrace/Heart of Fear into account. So yeah, take it if you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaheer12a View Post
    It's BiS even if you take all of the heroic gear from Terrace/Heart of Fear into account. So yeah, take it if you can.
    It's one of the BiS trinkets for destruction. It is not for affliction/demonology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    It's one of the BiS trinkets for destruction. It is not for affliction/demonology.
    whenever you have time can u give us some numbers to compare the DMC card and raid trinks?

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