Don't use LotC with this, use the one from Sha :U
Why would I give you the maths of this spell with a trinket it can't activate?
LB: 1388 / 12 Sec + 1395, 1s GCD every 12 seconds
NT: 2784 / 12 Sec, 1.5s GCD every 12 seconds
NT and LB both have roughly equal damage and duration and with Frost's haste the GCD on NT being slightly longer doesn't really matter.
FB: 3285, 1.5s GCD ever 10 seconds
Frost Bomb does more damage than both even before taking spellpower into account, and you cast it more frequently.
6 minute fight = 360 seconds
30 NT/LB casts, 83520 damage, 30 GCDs
36 FB casts, 118260 damage, 36 GCDs
The damage of Frost Bomb over the length of a fight is significantly higher in order to compensate for the fact that you aren't necessarily always going to be able to cast it on cooldown. The GCD is actually exactly identical to if you were using Nether Tempest.
To get as much damage as with NT you only need to cast 26 Frost Bombs in a fight, leaving the rest of the damage to compensate.
Besides, we're not talking about raid bosses. We're talking about burst on Challenge Mode trash mobs.
A Freeze/Frost Bomb combo is always going to outdamage any of the other bombs because killing trash fast is all about burst and they don't have any burst option at all, requiring a full 12 seconds to deliver their maximum damage output.
On trash Frost Bomb can always crit, which is not true of the other two bombs. This doubles its damage (then adds mastery) to deal a substantial chunk of the enemy health.
Do you guys have any idea of a place where I can find a T14 guide covering all mop bosses mostly focused on frost mages? Like those tips and tricks for each fight (which talents to use, glyphs, rotation changes, etc).
Hi there Kuni, Im glad theres someone in the WoW community that actively raids as frost and keep giving advices, the wow battlenet forum sucks I cant seem to find anyone to ask.
I am a Frost raider in MoP and I really enjoyed it. So far cleared 16/16N with competitive DPS hehe.
What I would like to ask is that,
1) What bomb should i use for clearing normal and heroic mode of the content? Im liking Living Bomb coz of the insta spread by fire blast, and i hate Frost Bomb coz the casting requirement makes my focus go away. And Im considering Nether Tempest now because of the 5.2 changes that wouldnt enable LB to spread by usage of fireblast.. What do u think the best bomb is?
2) What trinkets should I use? I read that if I am running LB/NT, i should use Light of Cosmos, so does that means I shouldnt be supposed getting Essence of Terror if I use LB/NT?
Maybe u can combine the answer for both these questions in one answer coz its interrelated
Sorry for my bad English I hope u understand, I cant pm u coz my post is <10, thanks!!!
3) What weapon should I use? I may have a chance on getting that Jinya, and Im using Regails Crackling Dagger elite now, should i eye for that Jinya staff? Thanks
Last edited by Gigamind; 2013-01-16 at 07:16 PM. Reason: Question 3 :P
2. You want to use Light of the Cosmos and Essence of Terror.
The trinket priority for nether tempest is Heroic EoT>Heroic LotC>Normal EoT>Relic of Yu'lon>Normal LotC
3. Loshan, Terror Incarnate with a Tornado-Summoning Censer is by far the best weapon for frost.
Ahh ok thanks for the reply. Between Living Bomb and Nether Tempest, which is better?
Coz Living Bomb has a 25% chance per tick of triggering BF, and NT has a 9% chance (I read it somewhere not sure if it true or not). For dogs i suppose LB is better than NT?
Frost being haste heavy also hurts LB's DPS. At no haste, half your damage is DoT and half is the explosion. When you add haste, you're only increasing half the damage for that global. NT gains for the entirety of the damage.
Look, non-crits all over. NT for me ticks for 7904, 15 times. LB ticks 5289, 5 times, then explodes for 31768.
There's no reason to use LB unless you're in the mob range where it does more AOE damage. Single target, you should never use it. It's out-stripped at any gear level. That goes for all specs, not just frost.
Last edited by Kuni Zyrekai; 2013-01-17 at 10:45 PM.
The point I was trying to make originally was that LB doesn't scale nearly as well with haste. With IV/haste and time warp up, I only get 8 LB ticks, resulting in 95000 damage. NT under the same conditions goes up to 27 ticks, totalling 142803. The reasoning is that only half of LB's original damage benefits from haste, where all of NT benefits.
5289*12=63468; 42312 dpe (1.5s GCD)
5289*15=79335; 66113 dpe (1.2s GCD)
125% increase in dps
7904*4+31768=63384; 63384 dpe
7904*5+31768=71288; 71288 dpe
112% increase in dps
So NT still benefits more from haste. Also, LB is already 1s GCD so this isn't reduced at all by haste the way 1.5s GCD for NT is reduced. LB is still higher dpe.
This is of course in a vacuum. You will never really get NT GCD to 1s unless under temp buffs. There's also the effect of wasted Brain Freeze procs with NT since it is possible for procs to happen faster than you can cast FFB.
You do more for the time spent, but you don't make up the lost absolute damage in other sources if my napkin math is remotely close.Also, LB is already 1s GCD so this isn't reduced at all by haste the way 1.5s GCD for NT is reduced. LB is still higher dpe.
Also true, but it's also ignoring the times where you do get chain procs at intervals you can actually use them. The proc chances between the two are really close, though.This is of course in a vacuum. You will never really get NT GCD to 1s unless under temp buffs. There's also the effect of wasted Brain Freeze procs with NT since it is possible for procs to happen faster than you can cast FFB.