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  1. #1921
    It does indeed help being a GM but even so that's alot of DE'd war drops surely ? its 21 cloth I have 7 currently from daily cd
    Quote Originally Posted by Equim View Post
    I really don't see anything wrong with playing what you enjoy. Be it Frost, Fire, Arcane or Hello Kitty Island Adventure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenpete View Post
    No, we are Frost Mages. Warlocks are casters first class, we are not. Know your place in this world.
    Chaos Bolt is horrible in pvp, particularly since the spell can't be cast on the run anymore. If I cared about PvP, I would be a mad, mad Warlock.
    A living Warlock = a dead everyone else

  3. #1923
    You at least have a few dots you can throw while moving Scath, as it stands our main "nuke" frostbolt got nerfed to allow for icicles mastery and we could never cast while moving so double penalized (can now x3 spells if talent is taken at the cost of a "sprint).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equim View Post
    I really don't see anything wrong with playing what you enjoy. Be it Frost, Fire, Arcane or Hello Kitty Island Adventure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgreenthump View Post
    You can craft the extra ones with DE reagents from SoO loot. And ofc being a guild master helps a lot ^^
    Since there's no belt with haste I made a guild rule that the 2 frost mages get belts first

    Guilds are like True Blood. Instead of signs outside bars that say "Vamp friendly" there's a sign outside my guild that says "Frost mage friendly"

  5. #1925
    Quote Originally Posted by Draghonfourt View Post
    I just read that Blizzard can easily buff a Warlock's Chaos Bolt because they can nerf the damage it does in PVP. Do the same for Frost Mage spells. Buffed.
    They also say that they're trying to make as few spells different in PvE and PvP as possible. Not to mention "buff Ice Lance" is just a band-aid. If we reach a certain threshold in our gear, it could be a DPS loss again...not to mention, they seem to have deliberately worked to make the damage hierarchy FFB > IL > FB, so bearing that in mind, I think there's only so far they are going to buff JUST Ice Lance, if they go that route.

  6. #1926
    Just wondering how much damage the 4p Icy Boulder does. Last I read it wasnt much, but that was early ptr and I didnt keep up with it.
    As for Ice Lance being an undesirable button to press. Give FoF IL a 60% chance to drop Icy Boulder on the target along with BF FFB 30% chance.

  7. #1927
    Quote Originally Posted by Samanth View Post
    Very good guide Gonna give frost a shoot now :P

    *You have a small typo = "Frost uses frost armour" Should be Armor I believe
    Canadian Spelling of Armor, like Colour

  8. #1928
    I killed Sha of Pride 25 heroic earlier as frost, and am likely one of maybe 2 mages in the world to do so. It actually wasn't too bad, being high on corrupted fragment and large adds, but mediocre on boss / reflections. The room is yet another idiotically designed room where blink fizzles upon encountering the large circle in the middle or any of the prison circles.

    I just went frost because there's so much movement with prisons / rifts / repositioning that I was doing about the same DPS with either spec (frost or arcane), so went with one that was more fun to play.
    Last edited by citrique; 2013-09-20 at 06:10 AM.

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    Hm tried Frost on Sha heroic too, but it was not as viable as Arcane! Frost couldn´t deliver what was needed. High burst on small adds, big adds and fragments! Double blink and bs solved the movement part with rifts. Galakras is an Arcane fight, because of Nether Tempest, Iron Juggernaut is a Rune of Power fight (heal) this early in progression and Arcane was miles ahead of Frost there. Dark Shamans is a fire mage fight and if you are lucky with random sh.. an okay Arcane fight. Frost just underperforms on Dark Shamans aswell.

    Yes Frost is fun to play, but it´s the first time Frost is a real burden! We are not talking of 5 or 10k difference, we are talking about 50k+ difference. Looking 2 - 3 times a day on mmo front, because there could be news for Frost : /

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenpete View Post
    Hm tried Frost on Sha heroic too, but it was not as viable as Arcane! Frost couldn´t deliver what was needed. High burst on small adds, big adds and fragments! Double blink and bs solved the movement part with rifts. Galakras is an Arcane fight, because of Nether Tempest, Iron Juggernaut is a Rune of Power fight (heal) this early in progression and Arcane was miles ahead of Frost there. Dark Shamans is a fire mage fight and if you are lucky with random sh.. an okay Arcane fight. Frost just underperforms on Dark Shamans aswell.

    Yes Frost is fun to play, but it´s the first time Frost is a real burden! We are not talking of 5 or 10k difference, we are talking about 50k+ difference. Looking 2 - 3 times a day on mmo front, because there could be news for Frost : /
    reflection on why:
    • Frost is specialised a little too much (cleave 2 targets).
    • Frost don't do better than Arcane/Fire in cleave fight (2 targets).
    • Arcane is way better when Bomb's dps is primordial.
    • Fire is much better when mobility is important.

    Some know issues:
    • 2 mandatory glyph for 3 slots.
    • no slot for utility glyph or at big cost.
    • IL only scale with Intellect making it less interesting in high gear
    any other thought ?
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    This is why! I would add one more thing:

    Due mastery and Arcane Charge™, Arcane is the only viable option if you have to bomb (Arcane Explosion) high amount of adds with or without low hp. If you`re able to sync with Arcane Power, Arcane does what? 3 - 3,5x more damage than frost and fire? With the same spell?

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  13. #1933
    Quote Originally Posted by Akraen View Post
    I think everyone is just doing it wrong.
    Should we point them to the Paragons logs?

  14. #1934
    Quote Originally Posted by Akraen View Post
    I think everyone is just doing it wrong.
    Yeah must be all these baddies in these heroic raiding guilds. How do they get it SO wrong

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    They'll claim I was padding. I mean, NT is going to pad by nature but it increases single target DPS.

    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-w4...&s=5748&e=6296

    Proves I was correctly target switching.

    I did about 15k higher than the #1 parsing fire mage and would have been #3 arcane mage with my 331k dps.

    Frost now isn't the same as 5.4. You have to make incredibly clever decisions on snapshot and trinket play. Cone of Cold has a place now too. And haste, omg haste. Stop trying to get away from haste.

    23rd overall dps: http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...laxxi/25N/dps/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akraen View Post
    They'll claim I was padding. I mean, NT is going to pad by nature but it increases single target DPS.

    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-w4...&s=5748&e=6296

    Proves I was correctly target switching.

    I did about 15k higher than the #1 parsing fire mage and would have been #3 arcane mage with my 331k dps.

    Frost now isn't the same as 5.4. You have to make incredibly clever decisions on snapshot and trinket play. Cone of Cold has a place now too. And haste, omg haste. Stop trying to get away from haste.

    23rd overall dps: http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...laxxi/25N/dps/
    I watched the stream for some of your paragons attempts, myself any anyone watching knew you were padding. Rolling NT on 2 targets that get healed to full I'm sorry to say is padding. The reason you ranked so high is no one is in padding mode, switch to living bomb on your primary target and see what your numbers look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zili View Post
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    Well, most of the english speaking world except the US, really.

  18. #1938
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenbud View Post
    I watched the stream for some of your paragons attempts, myself any anyone watching knew you were padding. Rolling NT on 2 targets that get healed to full I'm sorry to say is padding. The reason you ranked so high is no one is in padding mode, switch to living bomb on your primary target and see what your numbers look like.
    If you're rolling NT on more than 3 targets, you're padding. Maybe you're underestimating the cleave potential.

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    Using non-crit numbers here's some basic theory for ya Kenbud:

    NT ticks on A for 16000, sending 8000 to target B or C. Yielding 16000 effective damage for 1 GCD per tick
    NT ticks on B for 16000, sending 8000 to target A or C. A is the only effective damage and 50% chance of hitting A. Yielding 4000 effective damage for 1 GCD per tick
    NT ticks on C for 16000, sending 8000 to target A or B. A is the only effective damage and 50% chance of hitting A. Yielding 4000 effective damage for 1 GCD per tick

    Within 3 GCDs, you are able to get 16000 + 4000 + 4000 per tick, or 24000 assuming even probability of choosing A over the other. In the case of the ones that like to dart outside the 10yd range, you will see 8000 effective per tick.

    I range between 19 and 21 ticks depending on what's up. We'll use 20 ticks to keep the scenario simple:

    NT on A = 19*16000 = 304000 + 36% crit rate = 413440
    NT on B = 19*4000 = 76000 + 36% crit rate = 103360
    NT on C = 19*4000 = 76000 + 36% crit rate = 103360

    Considering ice lance hits for ~100k, the DPCT of putting NT on multiple targets sure seems worth it to me.

    I advise not to roll NT on more than 3 targets simply because then things start to fall apart. You begin to run into opportunity cost by choosing to spend your GCDs

    I would venture a complaint about looking at Paragons in the first place. I stack haste, so Essence of Yu'lon, splitting ice, and CoC are all padding just by their own nature.

    Another advantage to NT on Paragons though is to DoT up the Kunchongs and Bloods.

    Also, still not a fan of haste?

    I had 80 brain freeze procs using NT. Each mage using LB that I found had 40-50. Those are buffing my other spells by 20%.

  20. #1940
    In what universe does ice lance hit for only 100K? Considering mastery, even a frostbolt cast at the main target would have been more potential damage than putting NT on a secondary, useless target.

    Ice lance hits for me for roughly 100K... with no buffs, flask, procs or anything else. In a raid setting FoF ice lance will be quite a lot more than that.

    Also.. 36% crit rate? What? Unless you have two trinket procs together.. no.

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