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    Quote Originally Posted by darkpower View Post
    You still work to get it, but the work is from being able to down a boss effectively and not from sheer luck of what actually ends up dropping. If one of my kill attempts is successful, then I know now that even when nothing dropped off the boss, that I'm going to get some Valor or whatever to be able to buy something down the line, and I'll be able to do that because I worked to help my raid group down a boss that they otherwise might've not had. Same for another else: if they weren't there, could they be able to kill that boss?

    Now, take your logic (2005 or whatever when we were watching...WHOSE DVD's?). You kill a boss. Boss drops some loot. Not only is it nothing you need (or can even use), but you also got nothing for the kill in the way of points or whatever. That work was for nothing. Yes, the first time, you're happy that you downed the guy, but let's fast forward to the 10th time you've downed him. Yeah, now you know you can kill it, even though you being there is essential to the attempt being a kill, and you've STILL haven't gotten anything from that boss (even though you know that the boss' loot table includes things that you desperately need). Imagine waiting a few months before finally seeing that one gear piece drop.

    Now, imagine that after that 10th time, you could've had enough Valor to get three pieces that would negate your need for that boss drop.

    Imagine that by that point, the next tier could've dropped.

    That's the issue we faced in this case. The JP gear was behind a wall that, by the time we got over it, we would've wondered why we bothered. The gear would've been outdated and not worth all the trouble we went through to get to even buy it. Keep in mind that the Golden Lotus rep is so far the most controversial in this xpac so far (not sure WHY you HAVE to do the GL stuff to even be allowed to do a few others, but whatever). I have a hard time seeing what the point would be to even try to go after any of it (especially when you have to do the GL stuff for ALL your toons...why, again, is beyond me).

    And there's your proof, as someone else said and I'm trumpeting right now: the GL stuff just takes SO MUCH TIME to do that it becomes pointless to try to do any of it for gear that will get replaced by gear that's easier to get.
    Thank you.

    You still have to do every single daily & every reputation grind to buy your valor gear - it's just the ilevel 450 justice stuff that had the requirement removed, and quite frankly, it was fucking stupid.

    I'm already in better gear than I would have ever gotten from JP and I'm not even close to being done with Golden Lotus. I enjoy the grinds myself, but it was an ass backwards system that gave you a reward long after you could actually use it, not while it was relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suokki View Post
    Once again, Blizzard has made things easier for those people who just don't have the attitude and spirit to get their stuff from Heroic instances to be ready for raiding, before they go live.
    You're missing the point. People don't want the JP gear to raid in. People want the JP gear to run heroics in, so that they there can get their gear for raiding. Farming reputation has nothing to do with "attitude" or "spirit". It's just boring. Especially when you do it on alt number five. As has been pointed out, the people who were 15-20 when WoW came out are now closing in on 25-30, and have families and lives outside the game. Meaning limited time to play. Meaning we'd rather spend that time doing the fun stuff - dungeons and raids - and not endlessly grinding reputation from daily quests just to be allowed to start doing the fun stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by suokki View Post
    You didn't do these things in Vanilla, why would you do them now?
    There was no Pandaria in vanilla. There were no raids beyond Naxxramas. There were no levels beyond 60. There were no guild levels, no dual specs, no monks or death knights, no goblins or blood elves, no guild banks, no alchemy specializations, no flying mounts, no glyphs, and no arenas. In early vanilla there were no PvP rewards, no battlegrounds, and no raids smaller than 40 people. Why add them now?
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    Build Turret: Cooldown increased by 1 round --- i hate that nerf--had to lvl a new pet because of it too beat some other trainer.

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    Good thing they did that, by the time i would have been finished grinding rep, i would be raiding

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    Removing the rep requirement makes sense. Currently it's less time consuming to run heroics and get HIGHER level gear than spending loads of time grinding faction rep to get entry-level gear.

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    OH MY GOD LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF HOT GURLS IN THE CURSE VID oO man fk my country im going to california!

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    Hopefully the four bugged quests I've found today get fixed in this patch. the Golden Lotus one especially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokithor View Post
    Hopefully the four bugged quests I've found today get fixed in this patch. the Golden Lotus one especially.
    Amen to that, but it seems that it wasn't so. Leven Dawnsomething still refuses to appear so you can turn in quests to him, for at least 2 quests atm. It feels silly.

    And /gasp at a certain blood elf dk.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Alltat View Post
    Farming reputation has nothing to do with "attitude" or "spirit". It's just boring.
    That's not why they changed this however. They changed it because with the reputation gate jp and jp gear is useless, without the gate people can buy a few pieces instead of making pvp gear to propel themselves into heroics.
    The old way was just broken had nothing to do with the actual rep grind.
    Having to grind rep to revered for epics is fine.
    ^^ Agreed
    Last edited by Bahska; 2012-10-02 at 08:31 AM.

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    I don't see where people actually whined about reputation requirements on JP gear, all I see people whining about was the need for Golden Lotus rep before you could raise your rep with the other factions which was a retarded idea but Blizzard scraps the whole thing and be done with it

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    I don't know what people's problem with acquiring ilevel 440 is. Every one that *needs* to do heroics right after hitting max level knows that you should better do everything in the last zone for ilevel and queue instances where you get appropriate loot (mogu'shan palace) so that you Ding, do the arena scenario and got enough ilevel to enter heroics. If you *need* to instantly run heroics after hitting max but you don't know how to get there during leveling then it's your fault.

    On the same hand, I don't think that the reputation situation was appropriate and i think blizzard did right fixing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suokki View Post
    So? I dont care if its blue or purple items which you get once you ding 90 and gather some JP. I still want to feel the same way, as we had a chance to feel back in the days, you had to do WORK in effort to get into DUNGEONs, with HARD bosses, if you lacked GEAR, you couldn't BEAT THE BOSS.

    www.gatheryourparty.com/articles/2012/05/03/world-of-warcraft-what-happened/

    After reading this article, I started hoping for a timetravelling machine.
    No one ever bought JP gear because it's i450. By the time you'd reach honored you'd most likely have something better.
    Personally I had 4000 JP, unable to spend any of it.

    Difference between now and "back in the days", is that bad design is fixed, even if it means more accessibility to entry level gear (oh no..)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bauwagast View Post

    And /gasp at a certain blood elf dk.
    From her expression I really expected a "Oh my God" vally speak style.... like, y'know
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    Elegon guide is just a picture, think you need to fix your links

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    Kudos to Blizz for that JP change. I was talking to my guild and none of us could figure out why you need to spend several days hitting Revered with Golden Lotus to buy weaker gear from the other two factions, when that 450 gear is perfect for filling out a final slot or two to hit the 440 requirement to be able to run heroics in the first place. It's not about making things easier, it's about removing an artificial barrier than made no sense. The 450 gear serves two purposes:

    1) A stepping stone to get the requirement to run heroics, since you cannot easily get it otherwise, especially if you did both V4W and Krasarang Wilds, as you will be well into 89 when you go to Dread Wastes and hit 90 before you get far enough to unlock the final few quests that reward 450 blues.

    2) For those people that don't enjoy doing dungeons for whatever reason to get not-quite-as-good gear to help them out in their dailies and Scenarios.

    I applaud this change wholeheartedly.

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    Good change with the jp. I was sitting jp capped unable to buy anything (or well, one chest that was worse than the one I had), and I hit 90 fairly early and have been doing my dailies every day. Granted, now I'm basically full 463 or higher so it's a bit "too late", but it's good for my slower guildies/alts. Pretty nice for my offspecc though, to fill out the pieces I haven't got already.

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    Can someone clarify something for me please.

    Have the removed the need for Golden Lotus rep to access the dailies for the other 2 factions or have they only allowed you access to their justice items without the need for Golden Lotus rep?

    Thanks in advance.

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    That mage T6 looked really nicely done. Kudos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballrazor View Post
    Can someone clarify something for me please.

    Have the removed the need for Golden Lotus rep to access the dailies for the other 2 factions or have they only allowed you access to their justice items without the need for Golden Lotus rep?

    Thanks in advance.
    Just to buy Justice gear. To do the dailies still requires Golden Lotus reputation.
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    This is an excellent change.

    I had no problem getting to 440 ilvl as soon as I dinged 90. Didn't even have to spend gold. Quest rewards and Direbrew trinket. I've been farming heroics and having awful luck with drops.

    I'm going to be raiding tonight, with or without a geared group.

    Golden Lotus will take, what, 2 weeks to hit Revered?

    By then people already will have outgrown 450 JP gear. It's just stupid.

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