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    Gold Challenge Mode Run, Patch 5.0.5 Hotfixes, Dev Interviews, Blue Posts, TCG Art

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    Gold Challenge Mode Run Completed
    The first few groups have earned a Gold time in the Gate of the Setting Sun and Scarlet Halls dungeons. WoWProgress has a nice worldwide leaderboard with color coded times. As of tonight there have been 3 Gold runs and 122 Silver runs worldwide.



    Patch 5.0.5 Hotfixes - September 28
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    Classes
    • Vengeance now ignores overkill damage.
    • Arcane Torrent now returns 2% of base mana (was previously an unintended 6%).

    Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Void Shift can no longer be cast on Dominate Mind targets.
    • The priest Season 12 four-piece healer set bonus can now only be consumed by the priest that applied it.
    • The priest Season 12 two-piece healer set bonus should now grant Diamond Soul buff to other players when Power Word: Shield is cast on them.

    Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Blind should always land as intended. Other players should not be able to dodge, block, or parry Blind.
    • A priest's psyfiend's Psychic Terror should no longer affect targets under a Rogue's Smoke Bomb.

    Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Second Wind no longer interrupts a Warrior who is eating or sitting down.

    Creatures
    • Thieving Plainshawks in Valley of the Four Winds now cast Peck while in combat with players and no longer cast Steal Weapon.
    • The humanoids of Pandaria are no longer devoid of coin, and level 86-90 creatures are now occasionally carrying a Vine-Cracked Junkbox in one of their pockets.
    • The Hozen Diver in Jade Forest now has 271k health as opposed to the 135k he had before.
    • Cheung the Stablemaster should now do the duties of a stablemaster, as expected.

    Items

    Pet Battles
    • Turn inputs should no longer sometimes be inadvertently skipped, causing only one pet to take action that turn.
    • Conceding in a random PVP Pet Battle should now count as a loss.
    • State-dependent abilities should now properly require that the state be present to gain their bonus effects.
    • Strong and Pristine Traps should now properly be awarded when the corresponding achievement is obtained.
    • The Achievement "Win Streak" should now function as expected, and be awarded to players who win 25 consecutive Pet Battles.

    Quests
    • Players should be able to complete "Burning Down the House" as expected.
    • "SI:7 Report: Fire From the Sky" should always eject the player from Sully "The Pickle" McLeary's vehicle, and can be completed even if the player dies and returns to camp before completing Sully's event.
    • "Last Toll of the Yaungol" should only provide you with Xiao Tus companionship while you are in Hatred's Vice.
    • Players who slip and fall from Serpent's Overlook while on the quest "The Seal is Broken" should be able to find their way back to Serpent's Spine by first returning to Grookin Hill or Pearlfin Village. Do watch your step!
    • All of the trainers for both the Horde and Alliance versions of "Battle Pet Tamers: Cataclysm" and "Battle Pet Tamers: Pandaria" now properly apply pet recovery once defeated.
    • "Sha Can Awe" quest NPCs should only apply their Languor effect on players who are currently on that quest.
    • "Gardener Fran and the Watering Can" now includes a bit more guidance for new horticulturists.

    Bug Fixes
    • Loving a Shore Crab in Azshara ... as you do ... now properly counts towards the Achievement "To All The Squirrels I've Loved Before".
    • The Luck of the Lotus buff should provide a chance to find Plundered Treasure as intended.
    • Crossing a zone boundary while traveling by boat or zeppelin on a multi-passenger mount should no longer result in players being removed from the transport, but may still dismount the passengers from the multi-passenger mount.
    • Players can no longer access different Pandaria daily quests by visiting other realms.
    • Players visiting other realms via RealID or Battletag groups will no longer receive loot from the Salyis’s Warband encounter.

    Developer Interviews
    Blizzplanet had the chance to interview Lead Encounter Designer Ion Hazzikostas and Senior Game Producer Ray Cobo at the Mists of Pandaria launch event. A short summary of the more interesting points are below.

    Ion Hazzikostas - Lead Encounter Designer
    • Players in Tier 11 said that there was almost too much content, having to raid hard every week to get through it. Mists of Pandaria includes even more bosses, which should give the more hardcore players something to do.
    • The Dragon Soul heroic dungeons invalidated the accomplishments of people who raided a lot during Patch 4.2. These heroic dungeons gave gear that was almost as good as the gear found in Firelands. Rather than using heroic dungeons to catch up, players can run older LFR content to gear up their alts.
    • Mists of Pandaria raids are more similar to Tier 11 raids than Firelands in terms of difficulty. Firelands had a boss that was designed to allow PuGs to come in and clear so that PuGs could raid. Now we have LFR for those players, so the normal mode content can be more difficult.

    Ray Cobo - Senior Game Producer
    • Blizzard is constantly looking at ways to make Cross-Realm zones a fair environment.
    • If you keep up with the legendary quest line, you will hopefully have a nice legendary item by the end of Mists of Pandaria.


    Blue Posts
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Challenge Modes and Item Scaling Tech
    Character and item level scaling as you're referring to is tech that was actually added in Mists of Pandaria. This tech is what allows us to have a feature like Challenge Modes, in which we can scale your gear down to a specified level. The same is fairly easily applied to character levels.

    Have we done everything we could possibly do with this tech? Absolutely not.

    Do we want to throw it into everything we can just so players can run whatever they want at any level, without regard for a specific reward structure or progression system? Absolutely not.

    As an example, we'd love to implement a feature where you could, say, at level 90 group up with a friend who's level 15 and run Deadmines together, and the dungeon difficulty for both of you would be relatively equivalent. But we're not going to do that before figuring out a proper system for rewarding both the high- and low-level players for their time.

    We've also discussed the idea of allowing players to, for example, form a raid group of 10 players at level 90, enter Karazhan, and be scaled down to roughly level-70 character power.

    This type of tech is great, but we can't throw it around arbitrarily just because we have it. We need to carefully consider ways it can be incorporated into a fun system that still feels rewarding in some regard.

    It's safe to say the scaling in Challenge dungeons is just the beginning. (Another example on the horizon is Proving Grounds.) If these types of features are successful, and we see players calling for more scaling to allow them to run content without just zerging/overpowering it, we'll absolutely look at additional ways it can be applied -- what I said above should be more than a hint that we already are.

    Would that mean that if it were implemented, that we would no longer have access to the soloable raid content? Or would this be an option? Similar to Normal/Heroic modes.
    Those are exactly the types of questions we've been stockpiling and pondering internally when it comes to brainstorming how tech like this can be applied to different facets of the game!

    It's not only stat scaling people. Talents have been reworked extensively. Considering that 1-70 content had a a lot of threat mechanics, pots were on a general cd, buffs stacked, aoe tanking was risky without discipline, crushing blows...

    You are talking about retuning every instance in the entire game.

    This is also a great point I forgot to mention in my first post. If we literally just said, "okay, everyone can run any dungeon or raid and you'll be scaled to its intended level," it might be fun for a while, but it'd feel very broken, inconsistent, and without direction. We need to offer proper support for such a system so that there's some kind of consistent gameplay, which means it's not a trivial task -- as I said before -- such that we can just loosely apply the tech to the affected area and expect healthy results, hehe. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    New Character Models Contradictions
    So what's with the change in priority?
    Tom and Rob are both correct, and combined, pretty much sum up the thinking that's ongoing within the World of Warcraft development team. Are having new character models a high priority for the team? Yes! We have discussed this with the developers numerous times and they are definitely excited about making this happen.

    Keep in mind the rhetorical questions that Rob stated with his response. A high-priority task such as this demands a lot of resources. With the work that was needed for Mists of Pandaria and is needed for the upcoming content patches, character designers have to prioritize their work. Thus, we REALLY (yes, honestly, truly, really) want to get this done, but it's something that will require a lot of time and people to do. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Pet Battles Update – Hotfixes
    As Mists of Pandaria continues to unravel its mysteries, there are bound to be a few bugs that crop up from time to time and we’re working diligently on getting each one addressed. For the pet battlers among you, here are some of the hotfixes we’ve recently applied to the game:

    • A bug has been fixed that caused turn inputs to sometimes be skipped, causing only one pet to take action that turn
    • Conceding in a random PVP Pet Battle should now count as a loss
    • State-dependent abilities should no longer have their effects reversed (example: Maul should correctly require that the target be Bleeding)
    • Many balance changes have been implemented (example: Build Turret now has a 2-round cooldown, up from 1)

    In addition, we’re investigating a possible issue with traps not upgrading and will get it resolved as quickly as possible.

    Thank you for your continued feedback and bug reports. We appreciate your enthusiasm for this new feature, as well as the time you’ve taken to discuss the Pet Battle system!

    Is there any word about the issue that some new alts especially pandas can't learn pet battle training and thus can't buy the special pet for their race from the pet battle trainer?
    Yes, this should be fixed now.

    nope it's not fixed
    I've just been informed that this is being looked into now. (Official Forums)

    Pet Battle Training Cost
    If you want to keep the cost, increase the level needed to buy it. New and low level players will get confused by this feature. It's already bad enough having people beg you for gold so they can buy some overpriced glyph or green gear.
    Increasing the leveling requirement isn't a reasonable solution. If you're a more experienced player and you want to roll a new character, we don't want to keep you locked out of pet battles. Since the system is account-wide, we want you to have the option of participating in pet battles while you level.

    We still don't think the same should apply to new players. The gold cost is a clear indication that you need some level of experience with the game and the economy in order to access the feature, even though it's unlocked at level 5. I don't know why this would be more confusing for new players, as I've seen many assert in this thread, than giving them access to a series of random quests that don't enhance their characters, are almost completely separated from character leveling progression, and require a modest number of pets that they may not have.

    Reading through the thread, so far I haven't seen any clear indication in anyone's post that they are, in fact, new players who feel limited by being unable to access this feature. Most of what I'm reading comes from more veteran players weighing in on what's right and what's not right for new players.

    And to be clear, we don't hold a monopoly on knowing what is or isn't potentially something that may confuse (and perhaps even drive away) a new player. But we do have the advantage of being able to carefully analyze years and years of data which reflects how the average new player approaches the game, the things that trip them up, the things that make them feel like their progression is barred, etc.

    What I do know is that a lot of posters in this thread -- even those who claim to be very casual -- take their knowledge of the many core aspects of WoW gameplay for granted. If you look at the way the 1-20 experience has evolved and been streamlined over the years, it should be quite clear that it's a direct reflection of design decisions we've made to try and better ease new players (especially those without MMO experience) into the game, based on a lot of research on our end.

    Someone earlier in the thread pointed out that, when we first introduced dual spec, the cost and level requirements were meant as a barrier to entry to ensure leveling characters didn't feel like it's something they should spend their gold on asap. We later drastically reduced the gold and level requirements when we felt more confident about this not being an issue. The same could be true for the cost of pet battles. We'll certainly take player feedback into account -- though, as I mentioned, hearing almost entirely from players not adversely affected by this gold cost, as opposed to new players who are, leaves us with very incomplete actionable intel -- and we'll evaluate whether or not the current cost is necessary.

    For those who implied that our change over time on dual spec should've been a learning lesson, keep in mind what we say all the time: we prefer to introduce a new gameplay feature or piece of content with slightly conservative implementations, and then, if necessary, loosen the restrictions or increase accessibility over time. That's held true for everything from raid tuning to Transmogrification restrictions. If we get things wrong and a feature is too accessible or too easy, to the point that it's negatively affecting overall gameplay, it's much meaner of us to then tighten restrictions after the fact. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Mists of Pandaria Questing
    While I think the person you were responding to is being melodramatic, I do have to say... having just finished playing through the Valley of the Four Winds, absolutely *no* quest there made me feel heroic. When I wasn't doing farmwork, escorting around a little girl and collecting muddy water, cleansing rolling plans of oversized Rabbits, or hunting wildlife for sport... I was slaughtering innocent Curious Water Sprites to get ingredients off their bodies to fund some Panda's drinking problem.

    I am kinda not getting the "heroic" vibe from that.

    Great discussion so far! I know I'm coming back late, but I've read the entire thread, and I wanted to come back to talk about a couple of things.

    It seems to me that the Valley of the Four Winds offers a chance to get to know some of the residents of Pandaria in a more personal way. You help them with their day to day struggles. You get a glimpse of how they live their lives. After all, the Jade Serpent flies you there, she tells you that it's an opportunity to learn about how the people of Pandaria live.

    Still, while the concerns may seem a bit pastoral at first (I would like to take this opportunity to speak up in favor of puntable marmots), they become much more urgent as you come to the conclusion of the zone, and I think that some pretty heroic stuff happens as the quest lines there come to a conclusion. If the tone present in the Valley of the Four Winds isn't quite your speed, you can head over to the Krasarang Wilds for a different feel. There will also be plenty more opportunities for heroic deeds in Kun-Lai Summit, the Townlong Steppes, the Dread Wastes, and the Vale of Eternal Blossoms.

    Did a quest in a group last night and noticed I was getting 0 xp per kill. my chat log said (mob dead=2000xp-2000xp penalty) I was pretty pissed about that.
    That's extremely odd. There's actually a small experience bump for grouping. Can you remember which quest you were on?

    Also, while it’s true that partying up and doing the quests in the zone will result in less experience over all, it should result in faster experience gain. So, a bit less total experience, but better experience per hour.

    Assorted reputation grind concerns.
    I think it's worth mentioning that, for the most part, the really important stuff from reputations in the past came at Exalted. In Mists, 'power' rewards that come from reputations are available a bit earlier. The rough run-down as I understand it works like this:

    • Honored unlocks 450 blue items that you buy with Justice Points and profession recipes
    • Revered unlocks 489 epics that you buy with Valor Points and more powerful recipes
    • Exalted unlocks the more unique non-power rewards: mounts, tabards, weapons and armor intended for Transmogrification, etc.

    The thing that annoys me about these threads is that the devs take them seriously. Here is a guy who only wants to pvp commenting on things like story and cut-scenes.

    Devs.. please listen.. it doesn´t matter what you do, these types of players will never be happy

    I believe that all our players matter: PvPers, raiders, questers, achievement seekers, collectors, parents playing with their kids, etc. etc. etc. There's not one kind of player and often a single player embodies many different motivations; the World of Warcraft is populated by an incredibly diverse community.
    When someone says "I don't like this" that's actually okay. At the risk of making a real world analogy, I wouldn't expect someone to walk into a restaurant and absolutely love everything on the menu. Still, if someone isn't enjoying part of the experience, I want to find out why. Maybe there's just a misunderstanding at work, or perhaps there's something more fundamental in play. Regardless, without criticism (constructive criticism, simply saying x, y, or z 'sucks' isn't helpful), it's harder to grow. I believe that there are certainly cases where having a discussion about a point of contention can be really valuable for everyone involved. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

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    When are gathering nodes and mobs going to be sharable? Would alleviate many of the issues with CRZ.
    Those may not be the right answers, but I'd agree that seeing other players should be a good thing not a hassle.

    Curse Sites Feedback
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    Im really excited to watch these Challenge Mode times get better and better.

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    Do we want to throw it into everything we can just so players can run whatever they want at any level, without regard for a specific reward structure or progression system? Absolutely not.
    Except Guild Wars 2 just came out, and you can run whatever you want at any level, with a specific reward structure -and- progression system. All Blizzard would have to do is copy them. A lot of retuning of old stuff and more scaling tech, sure, because WoW wasn't made for this in the first place like GW2 was, but I'm very disappointed in Blizzard's refusal to even acknowledge the possibility of adopting a GW2-like system.

    I've been unhappy with WoW for a long time over the obsolescence of content and constant obsession with "new new omg shiny hey kids look new new new", and if Blizzard had said "Hey, we see how it can be done well, now, so give us time and we will," then I'd be playing MoP right now, but no, all they say they might do is a couple old dungeons (and not just retuned, but redone entirely like they did with Deadmines) and something for levelling.

    What a waste. I think I'm finally officially done with this game, since I have GW2 to keep me happy instead. Arena.Net at least has the balls to say to its players "Here's all the content: Do it however you want, in your order, and at your pace." If WoW ever stops catering to people with the attention span of a ferret on crack, I'll consider coming back.

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    So there's 4 DPS team with a tank? What about the healers who want to be in the challenge modes? I suppose that I should, at least, be glad that it's not on the first place, but still.. I'm a healer. Not a DPS. How will I get challenged?

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    and pet battles are now totally broken

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    Does anyone else feel that early patches tend to be giant public betas?
    After any big patch there's always a flurry of hotfixes (which is good, obviously), but does give the impression that the patch wasn't tested quite as well as it perhaps should have been.

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    Mists of Pandaria raids are more similar to Tier 11 raids than Firelands in terms of difficulty. Firelands had a boss that was designed to allow PuGs to come in and clear so that PuGs could raid. Now we have LFR for those players, so the normal mode content can be more difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakj View Post
    Except Guild Wars 2 just came out, and you can run whatever you want at any level, with a specific reward structure -and- progression system. All Blizzard would have to do is copy them. A lot of retuning of old stuff and more scaling tech, sure, because WoW wasn't made for this in the first place like GW2 was, but I'm very disappointed in Blizzard's refusal to even acknowledge the possibility of adopting a GW2-like system.

    I've been unhappy with WoW for a long time over the obsolescence of content and constant obsession with "new new omg shiny hey kids look new new new", and if Blizzard had said "Hey, we see how it can be done well, now, so give us time and we will," then I'd be playing MoP right now, but no, all they say they might do is a couple old dungeons (and not just retuned, but redone entirely like they did with Deadmines) and something for levelling.

    What a waste. I think I'm finally officially done with this game, since I have GW2 to keep me happy instead. Arena.Net at least has the balls to say to its players "Here's all the content: Do it however you want, in your order, and at your pace." If WoW ever stops catering to people with the attention span of a ferret on crack, I'll consider coming back.
    Why are you even here wasting your time on a game you don't play any-more? Ask yourself that. Is an old video game worth ranting about so passionately?

    Also...if you seriously expect everyone who plays the game to be up to your l33t standards then you have no place in these games at all. You'll probably be complaining about GW2 becoming too easy in a few years to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycefli View Post
    Why are you even here wasting your time on a game you don't play any-more? Ask yourself that. Is an old video game worth ranting about so passionately?

    Also...if you seriously expect everyone who plays the game to be up to your l33t standards then you have no place in these games at all. You'll probably be complaining about GW2 becoming too easy in a few years to come.
    I care about it because I have good memories of it and I want to like it again. If I didn't care about the game, I would be simply gone, but staying here and "ranting" about it, I clearly want to improve it.

    "l33t standards"? What in the crap are you talking about? Are you responding to someone else entirely? I'm talking about the downscaling of player gear and stats to make old content viable.

    Is this just a cookie-cutter response you stick in threads without actually reading them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cianxo View Post
    So there's 4 DPS team with a tank? What about the healers who want to be in the challenge modes? I suppose that I should, at least, be glad that it's not on the first place, but still.. I'm a healer. Not a DPS. How will I get challenged?
    Well, if you looked closely. You'll see that the same group actually had the shaman be resto for the earlier attempts. We don't know how WowProgress goes with the talent associated with the run. Maybe for the final boss, they had the shaman go as elemental instead since the boss might not need intense healing (and since elemental shaman and shadow priest can heal very well as well), and WoWprog recorded him as elemental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakj View Post
    I care about it because I have good memories of it and I want to like it again. If I didn't care about the game, I would be simply gone, but staying here and "ranting" about it, I clearly want to improve it.

    "l33t standards"? What in the crap are you talking about? Are you responding to someone else entirely? I'm talking about the downscaling of player gear and stats to make old content viable.

    Is this just a cookie-cutter response you stick in threads without actually reading them?
    Saying that you want to "improve" the game is just another way to say that you want the game to be like YOU want it to be. It's impossible to make everyone happy when developing a service like World of Warcraft. Saying that you want to improve the game shows that you are just being egoistic and dosen't care at all about others. Whatever you find to be fun in the game might not be fun to me. Whatever i find to be fun in the game might not be fun to you.

    Use your brain next time when trying to come up with a clever response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hplaner View Post
    Well, if you looked closely. You'll see that the same group actually had the shaman be resto for the earlier attempts. We don't know how WowProgress goes with the talent associated with the run. Maybe for the final boss, they had the shaman go as elemental instead since the boss might not need intense healing (and since elemental shaman and shadow priest can heal very well as well), and WoWprog recorded him as elemental.
    The spec comes from Battle.net. And according to the devs, the spec is "what they used when setting this challenge mode time".
    So probably the spec was used when they killed the final boss.

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    The Dragon Soul heroic dungeons invalidated the accomplishments of people who raided a lot during Patch 4.2. These heroic dungeons gave gear that was almost as good as the gear found in Firelands. Rather than using heroic dungeons to catch up, players can run older LFR content to gear up their alts.
    I don't like the sound of this. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakj View Post
    Except Guild Wars 2 just came out, and you can run whatever you want at any level, with a specific reward structure -and- progression system. All Blizzard would have to do is copy them. A lot of retuning of old stuff and more scaling tech, sure, because WoW wasn't made for this in the first place like GW2 was, but I'm very disappointed in Blizzard's refusal to even acknowledge the possibility of adopting a GW2-like system.

    I've been unhappy with WoW for a long time over the obsolescence of content and constant obsession with "new new omg shiny hey kids look new new new", and if Blizzard had said "Hey, we see how it can be done well, now, so give us time and we will," then I'd be playing MoP right now, but no, all they say they might do is a couple old dungeons (and not just retuned, but redone entirely like they did with Deadmines) and something for levelling.

    What a waste. I think I'm finally officially done with this game, since I have GW2 to keep me happy instead. Arena.Net at least has the balls to say to its players "Here's all the content: Do it however you want, in your order, and at your pace." If WoW ever stops catering to people with the attention span of a ferret on crack, I'll consider coming back.
    Wait, so you are upset that Blizzard keeps introducing new content and the old content doesn't have it's uses? Your other complaint is that Blizzard won't copy a design philosophy in GW2, a game that while it has had initial success has only been out a month?

    As much as some people don't like to admit it, Blizzard is very good at what they do. MoP is by far the best expansion they've released (at least for me so far). It's accessible, the zones are gorgeous, and it feels solid through and through. The game is almost unrecognizable compared to Vanilla, the amount of changes that they've made in order to please and retain the majority of their player base cannot simply be dismissed because you want them to change to a completely different model.

    Let's face it, if WoW had less content, and instead just let you play old content a la GW2, the complaint would be "wtf blizzard, don't let me kill the same mobs over and over again, I want to see new stuff!" and I can bet it'd come from a lot more people than your complaint.

    As good as GW2 may or may not be, how about we give it 6 months before we bestow it as "the game that every game should copy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakj View Post
    Except Guild Wars 2 just came out, and you can run whatever you want at any level, with a specific reward structure -and- progression system. All Blizzard would have to do is copy them. A lot of retuning of old stuff and more scaling tech, sure, because WoW wasn't made for this in the first place like GW2 was, but I'm very disappointed in Blizzard's refusal to even acknowledge the possibility of adopting a GW2-like system.

    I've been unhappy with WoW for a long time over the obsolescence of content and constant obsession with "new new omg shiny hey kids look new new new", and if Blizzard had said "Hey, we see how it can be done well, now, so give us time and we will," then I'd be playing MoP right now, but no, all they say they might do is a couple old dungeons (and not just retuned, but redone entirely like they did with Deadmines) and something for levelling.

    What a waste. I think I'm finally officially done with this game, since I have GW2 to keep me happy instead. Arena.Net at least has the balls to say to its players "Here's all the content: Do it however you want, in your order, and at your pace." If WoW ever stops catering to people with the attention span of a ferret on crack, I'll consider coming back.
    I'm still fairly happy with WoW, but I agree-- GW2 did a lot of things SO RIGHT and WoW needs to copy them, stat. GW2's questing system is an absolute pleasure and I'm sad that I had to go back to being a selfish dick in WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keleri View Post
    I'm still fairly happy with WoW, but I agree-- GW2 did a lot of things SO RIGHT and WoW needs to copy them, stat. GW2's questing system is an absolute pleasure and I'm sad that I had to go back to being a selfish dick in WoW.
    GWs quest system is worthless. It would be easy to implement in WOW. You see that farmer that needs you to kill those wolves and gives you the quest? Delete him from the gameworld.. instead when you walk near the wolves, you get a pop-up saying ´ a farmer you never met, has been getting raided by these wolves, if you kill them, he will give you a reward, but don´t worry, you don´t ever have to go meet him.. in fact, he isn´t even in the gameworld´..

    It is great because you don´t have to get a quest from a questgiver.. and you don´t have to return to him to get your reward. I don´t know how you can say the questing system is better when there isn´t one... you just stumble upon crap and kill it... guess what, you can do that in WOW also.

    ---------- Post added 2012-09-29 at 04:12 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by bbr View Post
    Does anyone else feel that early patches tend to be giant public betas?
    After any big patch there's always a flurry of hotfixes (which is good, obviously), but does give the impression that the patch wasn't tested quite as well as it perhaps should have been.
    Look at the stuff that is being fixed? it is all tiny crap. Nothing was seriously broken. Also a lot of it couldn´t be tested in beta. A lot of the Battle-ID stuff they could have figured people would have exploited (killing the world bosses on different realms)... but meh.. they caught it fast enough.

    No matter how much time you spend testing something, small crap is always going to break when it goes live just because you have more players doing off-the-wall stuff.

    Or are you really that upset that one critter didn´t accept your ´love´.. gamebreaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thraenduil View Post
    Gratz for Team Aquila for first gold time. Finland takes momentum in race for world firsts.
    well alions had the first gold, but not the fastest^^

  20. #20
    Yay no DPS warrior in any gold runs.

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