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You lazily googled and didn't even acquired the most basic of articles.
You're saying some of the other game's appearance methods are inferior when in fact they aren't any different.
All I did was provide information and my own opinion, how you inferred that was up to you, apparently negatively though.
When I finally have 100% of the map complete, have finished my storyline and completed all the dungeons then I will probably just log in to play Spvp and WvW for a while. Since I'm a long way off on any of those things my $60 would of stretched out over 500hrs perhaps even more by then.
Some people will burn through the content and then complain there is nothing to do. When I finished other games like say metal gear solid I don't feel the need to log on to their forums and complain there is nothing to do after the credits roll. There is a limit and sounds like you've hit it.
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Take the Serena challenge
By definition you can't be doing end game the whole way.
What people mean is what you do at max level doesn't drastically change from what you do while leveling. That's all fine and well, but in most games you can do what you did leveling when you are at max level. Its just then they have other things like raids at the end also.
Last edited by Rukh; 2012-10-04 at 07:35 AM.
So you can't really say "but you could do anything in X game as well", because the way the games were designed are vastly different.
However, the spirit of what you are saying; that GW2 isn't some other game at l80 apart from what it was at l9 or l52 is accurate to the franchise.
edit: Or what Jigain basically said above this post. Essentially, not a bimodal endgame. Take a drink.
Unless you're talking about the game not having raids. The running of one instance over and over for months on end.
The reality is that is an old concept, it's tired, it's boring and not very many people are looking for that from a MMO.
Just look at WoW for instance. For their last tier with 10 million subscribers, only ~670,000 were raiders. GW2 is not going for that tiny sliver of a market.
But that doesn't mean there isn't a ton of stuff to do once you reach max level
How do you know there were only 670k raiders in World of Warcraft?
Also, technically. GW2's design style is older than instance based raiding. Most MMOs were more like GW2 back in the day than like WOW/TOR/whatever.
How many tried and failed? The wannabe raiders?
Many, many more. The backbone of WoW.
The same guys that say "GW2 has no endgame", but never went past 2nd boss in FL.
Imho, the carrot & stick system still works. It's easy and it works.
Erm. There are literally thousands of guilds for that tier listed. I stopped looking after 4 thousand or so guilds that were just 8/8. I think your "evidence" is a bit flimsy.
Edit: I kept looking. At over +6k deep in the guild listings for 8/8(H) alone.
Edit: Unless I am reading this incorrectly. Does not WOW have like multi-mode raids of the same tier? I don't play WoW. Many things about WoW seem strange/nonsensical to me. But if wiki is correct that seems like a good deal more than 670k players. Which is massive enough to dwarf like the entire sub base of other MMOs. Like just Blizz's raid population if so.
Last edited by Fencers; 2012-10-04 at 02:34 PM.
For the first boss, 54,842 10m guilds + 4,832 25m guilds.
No need to count, multiplication is your friend.
That's not even counting people that raided in LFR, which was very popular. And not counting the fact that there's typically way more than 10 raiders in a 10-man raid guild and WAY more than 25 raiders in a 25-man raiding guild. WoWprogress also tends to not see pugs at all because of how it tracks the achivements, so that's totally out of the picture, too.
In other words, your stats are way way way off. WoWprogress is just that...for tracking guild progess. It's not meant to be a census tool at all.
Not sure what you mean by multi-mode raids.
The first boss on normal mode went down if you sneezed. Obviously if people were working on that for 9+ months and didn't get it, they weren't a raider.
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For just as many people that are sitting on a bench, you have people that are running alts in another guild.
Really, raiding isn't the end all be all to MMOs. GW2 is fine without raids