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  1. #141
    Ive got a thunderforged spark of zandalari and ive been doing equal to or slightly less with it. I find relic + lei shin's combo work better because of all the str upfront to line up with cooldowns. Im thinking the valor trinket paired with spark will work nicely to get the 8800 str upfront from the VP one to line up with trinkets and wings, and the spark for big str boosts periodically.

  2. #142
    Spark isnt good for ret. We dont get enough proc's to get the up time to where it needs to be. Heroic Lei Shin, Heroic Vortex, and the VP trinket are all better.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Farbod View Post
    Spark isnt good for ret. We dont get enough proc's to get the up time to where it needs to be. Heroic Lei Shin, Heroic Vortex, and the VP trinket are all better.
    i don't know about that it seems pretty solid to me. we just need the other slot trinket to proc upfront on pull to line up with our cds.
    i'm thinking the valor fits nicely for that, or maybe ji-kuns? if ji-kun works the way i think it does (starts off with 1333, then 2666, then 3999, then 5332 etc... every 2 seconds for 20 sec)

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Farbod View Post
    Spark isnt good for ret. We dont get enough proc's to get the up time to where it needs to be. Heroic Lei Shin, Heroic Vortex, and the VP trinket are all better.
    So not true, go read http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...rycraft/page99
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  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Farbod View Post
    Spark isnt good for ret. We dont get enough proc's to get the up time to where it needs to be. Heroic Lei Shin, Heroic Vortex, and the VP trinket are all better.
    Yeah, idk what you're talking about. It doesn't line up with the pull, sure, but the massive strength proc lines up with my ES probably 65%+ of the time, and with wings maybe 50%. This results in absolutely massive ES ticks with synapse springs, and Lei Shens some of the time. Not to mention the huge amount of up-front haste given by the trinket.

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  6. #146
    It lines up roughly every 2nd lei proc, you can delay for 10-15sec ES+synapse to get it, and i also notice change in landslide in 5.2 procs more often so that proc is also most of the time up with any of the trinkes or even both, so ES gets massive screenshot of stats
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  7. #147
    Hi guys. My first post ever here, and it might be a stupid question.
    Usually, every time I'm able to buy or loot something new, I'm checking this thread, but the main post hasnt been updatet for a while.. So, before doing something stupid I guess it's best to ask you guys.

    Right now, I'm using the following trinkets:
    Lei Shens Final Orders heroic, 2/2 upgrades
    Darkmist Vortex Heroic, 2/2 upgrades

    By now, I am able to buy the Brutal Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault (wowhead.com/item=94508)

    Is it worth it? I dont need the expertise, I could reforge it into haste, but I'm interested in the proc effect. Though, I'm not totally sure.
    Any suggestions would be very welcome!

  8. #148
    You're probably best off buying the ring/neck, and waiting on a Horridon/Ji-Kun trinket.

    Sha of Fear Melee hit You 372908 Physical. (766625 Overkill) (Critical)
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  9. #149
    Thanks for the reply.

    Hm.. Thought so. But still, the procc effect is tempting. Does anyone got some dps numbers for comparision of those 3 trinkets?
    I really would like to see this...

  10. #150
    ICD on the rep trinket is 75 seconds. LSFO ICD is 45 sec. If you're not using the expertise, it's a net downgrade.

    DMV ICD is 75sec as well, but the STR isn't wasted like the expertise is, in your case.
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  11. #151
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    Opinions on VP trinket or VP Cloak this week? I'm unsure myself and can not decide and I suck at comparing items via math.

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  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by filfa View Post
    Opinions on VP trinket or VP Cloak this week? I'm unsure myself and can not decide and I suck at comparing items via math.

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    I think you should be more concerned about your expertise and hit caps.. they need to be at least 7.5%. at least 2549 rating for hit and 2210 for expertise.

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    7.49% at 2548 Hit rating is close enough for my liking.

    0.08% under expertise cap reforging for such a small amount is suboptimal and what's that? A chance to get dodge/parried 2.5 times per encounter.

    To force a hit/exp cap I will lose 0.75% haste (320 haste)
    Last edited by Filfa; 2013-03-25 at 07:33 PM.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by filfa View Post
    7.49% at 2548 Hit rating is close enough for my liking.

    0.08% under expertise cap reforging for such a small amount is suboptimal and what's that? A chance to get dodge/parried 2.5 times per encounter.

    To force a hit/exp cap I will lose 0.75% haste (320 haste)
    I would think you'd rather lose something like 0.1 seconds off your abilities in order to insure you won't miss a HP generating ability.

    Sha of Fear Melee hit You 372908 Physical. (766625 Overkill) (Critical)
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    It probably wouldn't even be .1 seconds off. Maybe .05, depending on which ability we're talking about.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by filfa View Post
    7.49% at 2548 Hit rating is close enough for my liking.

    0.08% under expertise cap reforging for such a small amount is suboptimal and what's that? A chance to get dodge/parried 2.5 times per encounter.

    To force a hit/exp cap I will lose 0.75% haste (320 haste)
    If you're really that worried about your haste, just replace the green gem in your belt with a +320 haste gem, unreforge your cloak, reforge your boots to mastery, reforge your shoulders to expertise, bob's your mother's brother.
    Last edited by Reith; 2013-03-27 at 05:35 AM.

  17. #157
    well i bought the VP trinket , the proc is about 70sec - to 75 sec , but when it Proc i can see a huge different in the Dmg meter especialy if i timed it with ES ( single target ) , maybe its not a waste for now until we make some good progress in the guild

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    Just got normal Spark yesterday, replaced my 2/2 Relic of Xuen with it and kept my 2/2 normal Lei Shen's Final Orders. (is this fine or should i use relic instead of LSFO?)

    Though you probably won't be able to line it up with the initial burst that Ret's pull off in the first minute of a fight, I'd say you'd be able to line it up with Execution Sentence and even Wings again sometimes. The proc rate isn't bad at all.

  19. #159
    Lei Shens + Normal Spark, > Relic + Spark, should have looked at the OP to see which is higher rated though.

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