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  1. #521
    Quote Originally Posted by Razirm View Post
    Can I borrow your crystal ball? I'd like tonight's Euro millions numbers
    It's pretty darn obvious considering WoW has been dropping subscribers during all of Cataclysm, and we only, yes only went just above 10 million players again even with the launch of a whole new expansion. I actually expected it to go above 12 million but it seems like the interest is lacking and is only going to continue to drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Selling 250.000 copies of a game is considered a success for the majority of gaming companies.

    But if WoW ever had to come explain that their latest expansion sold 250.000 copies I doubt anyone would be joyous about it.

    You need to put things in perspective. For a gigantic company as Blizzard these sales numbers come as a hard blow to the gut, and hopefully this wont make them spin out of control again like they did during Cataclysm. I hope to see good quality content patches during MoP.
    But we're not talking about 250.000 copies, we are talking about 2.7 million.
    And how much does MoP cost? 30 dollar on average, that's around 80 million dollar we are talking about.

    The point is that an 8 year old game, which has been declared dead for more times than I can remember, still sold 2.7 million copies in a week.
    In the first week it sold more copies than the entire playerbase of their biggest decent competitor, so it's going strong.. Even after all those years.

  3. #523
    Quote Originally Posted by Vervacious View Post
    These numbers are good for three reasons:

    1) Cata sucked, so Wow players are cautious.
    2) GW2 has only been out for a month and it sold 2 million copies. I expect Wow to reclaim some of those subs when players get bored (shouldn't take too long, endgame is a disaster).
    3) MoP was initially rejected by many Wow players as silly, kiddo nonsense and haven't bought it yet. Subs should increase over time if Blizzard successfully launches content patches, and as players learn that Pandas =/ Kung Fu. From everything I've read, MoP is a solid expansion and that should draw in ex-players over time.
    totally agree

  4. #524
    Quote Originally Posted by Chaozu View Post
    It's pretty darn obvious considering WoW has been dropping subscribers during all of Cataclysm, and we only, yes only went just above 10 million players again even with the launch of a whole new expansion. I actually expected it to go above 12 million but it seems like the interest is lacking and is only going to continue to drop.
    Yup and next month they have annual pass cancellations, its only down from here

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    awsome news
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  6. #526
    An 8 year old game still sells 2.7 million copies in the first week despite the horrible flop of Cata that drove away millions of people? That's successful in my book. And Mists is actually very good, so that may help moving forward.
    Last edited by KClovesGaming; 2012-10-04 at 08:51 PM.

  7. #527
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    But we're not talking about 250.000 copies, we are talking about 2.7 million.
    And how much does MoP cost? 30 dollar on average, that's around 80 million dollar we are talking about.

    The point is that an 8 year old game, which has been declared dead for more times than I can remember, still sold 2.7 million copies in a week.
    In the first week it sold more copies than the entire playerbase of their biggest decent competitor, so it's going strong.. Even after all those years.
    It all depends on how you look at it.

    I personally am surprised that MoP sold less than TBC did. I had not expected it to sell that much less copies than Cataclysm or less than WotLK ... but instead it is turning out to be the least sold expansion of them all. Maybe if the content remains as good as it is now they'll be able to turn this around still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sTyLnK View Post
    An 8 year old game still sells 2.7 million copies in the first week despite the horrible flop of Cata that drove away millions of people? That's successful in my book. And Mists is actually very good, so that may help moving forward.
    yea but dude be honest i mean if they sold 2 would you come in here and say WHELP THATS IT FOLKS YOU WERE ALL CORRECT TIME TO PACK IT IN BLIZZARD. Of course not for some reason everyone has a horse in this game but what kinda fucked up horse is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    It all depends on how you look at it.

    I personally am surprised that MoP sold less than TBC did. I had not expected it to sell that much less copies than Cataclysm or less than WotLK ... but instead it is turning out to be the least sold expansion of them all. Maybe if the content remains as good as it is now they'll be able to turn this around still...
    You are surprised that an "ancient" game that built a negative reputation over the last two years sold less in the first week than a game which was new, almost unique and was extremely popular?

    7 years ago, when I told people that I played WoW they would ask what server I was on.
    When you dare to mention it now, they start to bash and tell you how much better <insert new MMO they'll only play for a week> is.

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    2.7 out of 10 mil.

    Makes sense why they made a romanticized version of China as their expac.
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    wow so much bashing in this thread... i think it was pretty obvious that it would sell less than cata considering the dropp/hate it got, and also not suprised it sold less than the other expansions due to the age and as i stated again the dissapointment that cata was. I also doubt that most people who did the anual pass would leave as soon as they can.
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  12. #532
    Quote Originally Posted by Vervacious View Post
    These numbers are good for three reasons:

    1) Cata sucked, so Wow players are cautious.
    2) GW2 has only been out for a month and it sold 2 million copies. I expect Wow to reclaim some of those subs when players get bored (shouldn't take too long, endgame is a disaster).
    3) MoP was initially rejected by many Wow players as silly, kiddo nonsense and haven't bought it yet. Subs should increase over time if Blizzard successfully launches content patches, and as players learn that Pandas =/ Kung Fu. From everything I've read, MoP is a solid expansion and that should draw in ex-players over time.
    Well said.

    Mists is a much better expansion than the previous one, and it will show in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HBpapa View Post
    2.7 out of 10 mil.

    Makes sense why they made a romanticized version of China as their expac.
    Complete with grind and farming LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL It makes total sense now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

  14. #534
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsage View Post
    Mists is a much better expansion than the previous one, and it will show in time.
    While I am happy to see a sub increase and a good amount of sales.

    I am reserving judgement on the expansion until we see if we are going to have 10 months with no content again.

    If they manage to avoid this I will be a happy WoWer

  15. #535
    Quote Originally Posted by yjmark View Post
    So you think there are F2P MMOs making more money than WoW? I'd be curious as to where you saw that info.

    Remember - games are made to make money. Whether it is subs, micro transactions, sales, etc... They are all rolled into the total money that a game makes. Ignoring any major ones of them is basically turning a blind eye on the parts you don't want to look at (even though they are generally the most important part).
    Yea ur misinterpreting what im saying. All i said was most of the money in the MMO Market is made through micro transactions. And from that you somehow get me saying that theres a F2P MMO making more money than WoW... Nice very nice. Kay ima try to explain in more words. All of the Non sub based MMO's combined make more total profit than WoW makes off subs. There are more F2P MMO players than there are Sub players. Players spend more money on Micro transactions in a month than a person subbed for a month.

    So pls dont misinterpret that.

  16. #536
    Quote Originally Posted by vindicatorx View Post
    or be logical as is with every game people lose interest specially when the game itself is already 8 years old.
    I've seen people using the "this game is old, people have been playing for X years, so it's normal they tire/burn out/etc." since even before TBC was released, so it has lost quite a bit of its credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akka View Post
    I've seen people using the "this game is old, people have been playing for X years, so it's normal they tire/burn out/etc." since even before TBC was released, so it has lost quite a bit of its credibility.
    id say its the other way around, if anything it should have become more likely to be true by now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voyager View Post
    By people you surely mean the top guilds only. On many realms not a single guild managed to clear it completely though.
    Back in T11, our rather casual raiding team got through 3/4 of the fights in heroic, and there were even quite a few guilds on our mostly dead server that finished the place. It was a pretty good tier, far better than the other two of cata. Shall see how this new one compares as time goes on.

    OT: Still not sure why people care hugely about sales numbers, but it looks like it was about the standard for a WoW expac to me...

  19. #539
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    Yea ur misinterpreting what im saying. All i said was most of the money in the MMO Market is made through micro transactions. And from that you somehow get me saying that theres a F2P MMO making more money than WoW... Nice very nice. Kay ima try to explain in more words. All of the Non sub based MMO's combined make more total profit than WoW makes off subs. There are more F2P MMO players than there are Sub players. Players spend more money on Micro transactions in a month than a person subbed for a month.

    So pls dont misinterpret that.
    That is what I originally thought you meant. Then, when I thought about it, and it's kinda silly to compare 1 game to an entire faction of other games within a genre. Then, claim that where the 1 game makes most of its money should not be payed attention to.

    So, I thought that maybe you knew something I didn't (i.e. that there was a F2P game that actually made a ton of money). Apparently I was mistaken.

  20. #540
    Quote Originally Posted by melak View Post
    awsome news
    Why???
    They are selling us the same stuff over and over and over again.
    And their products don't even have to be good because people will buy it anyways.

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