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    Quote Originally Posted by yjmark View Post
    There are more daily quests (which you don't have to do), more rep grinds (which you don't have to do), and more raid bosses (once they are all opened up). What's your point?
    *sigh* You do have to do those things. Like when the other options are so shitty and cock block you so hard you feel like you have to beccause that's where the rward lies. Look it's real simple. FIX THE JUSTICE POINT GEAR AND REMOVE VALOR GEAR FROM THE REP GUYS. Then ill be happy. Then you can daily your fucking face off and I can dungeon my fucking face off and I won't complain...
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    Nothing I guess. If 5.2 to isn't far off that would be great as well. The problem isn't that CURRENTLY theirs to little content to view. The raids are gated as hell and they've got a decent amount of dungeons, not to little but they could use more but alright we'll call it even Blizzard. The problem is ITS ALL SO FUCKING SUPER GATED. They went to far with the gating. It's to slow Blizzard. I like to progress it's what keeps me playing. Everything is a huge cock block.
    Really not trying to be rude here but.. How much have you cleared so far?

    Wednesday, October 3 - Normal Mogu’shan Vaults
    Wednesday, October 10 - Heroic Mogu'shan Vaults and first half of Mogu'shan Vaults on Raid Finder
    Wednesday, October 17 - Second half of Mogu'shan Vaults on Raid Finder
    Wednesday, October 31 - Normal Heart of Fear and Normal Terrace of Endless Spring (Must clear Heart of Fear first) with Heroic and Raid finder versions unlocking one week later.
    They are being opened weekly from here on out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yjmark View Post
    So you really just want dungeons to drop higher ilvl gear so you do not feel like you need to do dailies to max out?
    More or less yea. I want JP gear to be at least equal to dungeon gear and vp gear to be removed from rep factions or give me a tabard. I mean I understand they have to have some gating but it's so much this expansion it makes my head hurt thinking about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slozon View Post
    What counts as content for you? just raids?
    No, but 4.1 was lackluster all around. I seriously hope you're not defending 4.1 as a model for future content patches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korbany View Post
    Does anybody know if MoP has launched in Asia yet, or is it just EU & US?

    It seems very odd that out of a total subscriber base of 10 million, 7.3 million are still playing pre MoP expansions.

    I wonder which expansion has the most subscribers currently?
    Yes they didn't announce numbers until MoP was launched around all world, unlike every other exp where they said sales in 48h after launch

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    Quote Originally Posted by slozon View Post
    Really not trying to be rude here but.. How much have you cleared so far?



    They are being opened weekly from here on out.
    Absolutely none. I can't get in I don't have the time to farm gear for it. JP sucks such balls that I can't get in that way, by the time I'm done daily quests I have no time left for anything else and I'm stuck subject to the rng of dungeons. I MAY MAY MAY be lucky enough to hit 463 by next week if I get lucky and have sometime this weekend to farm dungeons and try out lfr. Their going to nerf the ilvl on it I read somewhere so that should help. Never the less it remains a huge and total cock block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    It's OK to like dungeons/raids more than anything else and to want more of them. Really what I was after was contained in the quote from you that I included. I'll admit that perhaps I misunderstood your point, but I thought you wanted to see more things and activities that weren't already in the game. It's not a big deal but your quote mildly implied to me that you were interested in new types of things. Just not more of the same, whether it be dungeons, quests, dailies or things that we already do.

    Like it or not, pet battles and the tiller thing are new in the sense that there's really nothing else quite like them in the game until now. That's the sort of thing I think is much more interesting over the long run than just more dailies or dungeons.
    Your right I don't like it. I am interested in new types of things but I recognize that isn't Blizzard. The things I do like about Warcraft I don't feel I've gotten enough of and instead were getting more of the thigns I dislike. It's fine that others like them, I never argued against that. More power to them. Have at it. They seem to think dailies are FUN. My suspicion is that this isn't a concept shared by the majority of the community but never the less alright build whatever you want. They will of course adjust things accordingly I feel after feedback from users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    Yes they didn't announce numbers until MoP was launched around all world, unlike every other exp where they said sales in 48h after launch
    Accept that China doesnt buy expansions so there was really no point in waiting till it was launched world wide. They waited so they could get the sub numbers back up because the chinese re subbed around the time MoP launched NA/EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    Your right I don't like it. I am interested in new types of things but I recognize that isn't Blizzard. The things I do like about Warcraft I don't feel I've gotten enough of and instead were getting more of the thigns I dislike. It's fine that others like them, I never argued against that. More power to them. Have at it.
    Well, we'll circle back to the beginning and then I have to go to work. If you get any ideas for new things, you should get over to the o-boards and suggest them. Have a great day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    Absolutely none. I can't get in I don't have the time to farm gear for it. JP sucks such balls that I can't get in that way, by the time I'm done daily quests I have on time left for anything else and I'm stuck subject to the rng of dungeons. I MAY MAY MAY be lucky enough to hit 463 by next week if I get lucky and have sometime this weekend to farm dungeons.
    Don't feel bad I'm still sitting on a 446 ilvl.

    If you don't like dailies don't do them just farm the dungeons. Even doing dailies myself I find i'm getting upgrades faster in lfd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    Yes they didn't announce numbers until MoP was launched around all world, unlike every other exp where they said sales in 48h after launch

    Try again they never announce sales 48h after release. It was always a week later.

    Not to mention the press release for MOP was BEFORE china release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slozon View Post
    They are not forced? you don't NEED to do them for anything beside rep if you want to get rep. Any gear they provide you can find in dungeons/raids
    from what I have seen the loot in dungeons isn't as good as the gear that can be bought with valor which rep is needed for, the only way to get rep is to do dailies (which i hate), yes of course the raid gear is just as good if not better but what help am I going to be if others are geared with the rep gear and I am stuck in my 463 dungeon gear??

    Dailies to me are a chore, boring and tedious. They are also solo content, i don't want to have to do them to keep up with everyone else. I just think it would be more fair if Blizz gave us a choice to gain rep with either dailies or by doing HC dungeons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slozon View Post
    Don't feel bad I'm still sitting on a 446 ilvl.

    If you don't like dailies don't do them just farm the dungeons. Even doing dailies myself I find i'm getting upgrades faster in lfd.[COLOR="red"]
    It gets harder and harder to get upgrades from lfd as you fill more and more pieces in. In fact at one point it just becomes vastly easier to simply just leave the dungeon after the boss you need doesn't drop your shit. I mean look it dude if you don't do dailies then what is vp for? It's worthless. The gear has to be taken out of the rep man. They made it easier which is good but they need to just cut the foreplay and take rep out of it entirely. Keep the cosmetic stuff. That's awesome. Pets, mounts, vanity stuff. Go for it.

    I don't want to do dailies but it's right their in front of me and it's ceased becoming optional because by comparison to almost everything else I can do the reward is just to good for doing it. If the reward was equally as good in dungeons well fuck dailies then.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppen View Post
    from what I have seen the loot in dungeons isn't as good as the gear that can be bought with valor which rep is needed for, the only way to get rep is to do dailies (which i hate), yes of course the raid gear is just as good if not better but what help am I going to be if others are geared with the rep gear and I am stuck in my 463 dungeon gear??

    Dailies to me are a chore, boring and tedious. They are also solo content, i don't want to have to do them to keep up with everyone else. I just think it would be more fair if Blizz gave us a choice to gain rep with either dailies or by doing HC dungeons.
    Entry lvl raid you only need 463 to be in it. LFR will be out next week with 48? ilvl gear. If you don't want to do dailies you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slozon View Post
    Entry lvl raid you only need 463 to be in it. LFR will be out next week with 48? ilvl gear. If you don't want to do dailies you don't have to.

    463 basically means you have to have every piece of gear from dungeons. Seriously every slot has to be filled from dungeons. Direbrew will be gone next week so that won't be an option long term. Youll be left with dailies , running the normal raid to run lfr, or farming crafting gear. The second option is counter intuitive and really that point you'll be getting better gear anyway. Farming crafting gear is okay assuming you have the money and the time and the effort to get it and then have it replaced as soon as you jump in lfr. So were back to running dailies to spend valor gear. Justice points need to be fixed and valor gear needs to be taken away from rep vendors. Simple fix. Then I will never touch dailies.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    It gets harder and harder to get upgrades from lfd as you fill more and more pieces in. In fact at one point it just becomes vastly easier to simply just leave the dungeon after the boss you need doesn't drop your shit. I mean look it dude if you don't do dailies then what is vp for? It's worthless. The gear has to be taken out of the rep man. They made it easier which is good but they need to just cut the foreplay and take rep out of it entirely. Keep the cosmetic stuff. That's awesome. Pets, mounts, vanity stuff. Go for it.

    I don't want to do dailies but it's right their in front of me and it's ceased becoming optional because by comparison to almost everything else I can do the reward is just to good for doing it. If the reward was equally as good in dungeons well fuck dailies then.
    I can't really argue this point myself. I have never once felt like I had to do something to progress (aside from raids but those I chose to do anyways. I've never had a problem in the guilds I've been in telling me I had to do dailies to keep up. I was always able to gear up the way I wanted.

    Even now the only reason I am doing dailies is for the coins. Not the rep gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slozon View Post
    Entry lvl raid you only need 463 to be in it. LFR will be out next week with 48? ilvl gear. If you don't want to do dailies you don't have to.
    then I will never have any use for valor points then...I know I am shooting myself in the foot by not doing them and it's my own fault that I will fall way behind but if this is the permanent way now to purchase upgrades then I will quit. Dailies will never be fun for me and if you look on the offcial forums many others as well.

    Plus i have heard negative things about the loot system in LFR in MoP, will take me a hell of a long time to gear up if what I hear is true. All of this combined won't be very fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slozon View Post
    I can't really argue this point myself. I have never once felt like I had to do something to progress (aside from raids but those I chose to do anyways. I've never had a problem in the guilds I've been in telling me I had to do dailies to keep up. I was always able to gear up the way I wanted.

    Even now the only reason I am doing dailiys is for the coins. Not the rep gear.
    It's also BAD for making gold. I make way more money farming mats. Ghost Iron ore is EVERYWHERE. I sell it for 300g a stack of bars. Hell even doing the regular lvling quests makes more money than dailies. At lvl 90 the regular lvling quests reward their XP as gold and you make CASH MONEY doing it that way.

    You remember running in WOTLK? How you sometimes had 4 versions of the same raid to run? You remember everyone (including so many people on this forum) praising Blizzard for moving to a single raid lock out because they felt forced they had to run every version of the dungeon they can? Well then you know why I feel the same way about dailies.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppen View Post
    then I will never have any use for valor points then...I know I am shooting myself in the foot by not doing them and it's my own fault that I will fall way behind but if this is the permanent way now to purchase upgrades then I will quit. Dailies will never be fun for me and if you look on the offcial forums many others as well.

    Plus i have heard negative things about the loot system in LFR in MoP, will take me a hell of a long time to gear up if what I hear is true. All of this combined won't be very fun...
    I know not everyone keeps up with everything wow related. But they stated this time around they wanted justice and valor points to fill in those slots you just couldn't get to drop in dingeons/raids. Not to be filling every slot with them before you go in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    It's also BAD for making gold. I make way more money farming mats. Ghost Iron ore is EVERYWHERE. I sell it for 300g a stack of bars. Hell even doing the regular lvling quests makes more money than dailies. At lvl 90 the regular lvling quests reward their XP as gold and you make CASH MONEY doing it that way.

    You remember running in WOTLK? How you sometimes had 4 versions of the same raid to run? You remember everyone (including so many people on this forum) praising Blizzard for moving to a single raid lock out because they felt forced they had to run every version of the dungeon they can? Well then you know why I feel the same way about dailies.
    I meant these coins http://www.wowhead.com/currency=697 not gold sorry.

    Yes i remember wotlk. there was only 1 raid with 4 options. ToC was release as the starter to what we have now. before that ulduar/naxx was only 10/25 and icc brought about shareed heroic/normal lockouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slozon View Post
    I know not everyone keeps up with everything wow related. But they stated this time around they wanted justice and valor points to fill in those slots you just couldn't get to drop in dingeons/raids. Not to be filling every slot with them before you go in.
    That would make sense if lfr wasn't 463. They announced their going to nerf it 460 but it's still mindless. It basically means look your fucked. Accept rng, accept ninja looting and accept people leaving the groups when the bosses you need gear from don't drop anything. JP gear has NEVER been about filling slots. It was and always SHOULD be a method to combat RNG and aid in progressive gearing of ones toon. Not filling in slots. Dude you know who filles in slots? THe shitty green vendors in the zones you can buy gear from. That's retarded, I read that to from Blizzard I couldn't believe it.

    Furthermore it NEVER filled in every slot before I went in. I use all kinds of dungeon drops. At one point it was in healthy balance, it's so fucked up now it's not even funny.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolascius View Post
    Substance, not even once.

    Please try again



    Actually it's 'less', not more. Far less than previous patches actually.

    So yes, releasing less content = milking it.
    4.0 - Revamped Old World, 2 Races, 5 levels.

    4.1 - Two revamped old dungeons.


    5.0 - New race, new class, new continent, 5 levels, pet battles, 6(?) scenarios, 9 challenge modes.

    5.1 - New daily hubs, new PvE "arena-esque" gameplay, item upgrades, pet upgrades...


    Yep, less content.
    Permanently unsubscribed as of 03/10/2014.

    Been a fun run guys, but the game's officially moved into the "Milk the Playerbase" phase. And I for one don't intend to stick around as the cost of expansions go up, content in them goes down, and raids become further and further apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    That is a false interpretation. Like you can interpret "more to do" on so many levels. Could be more dungeons? more gear? more pets to battle? more zones to visit? and yes more raids. Your not gonna like to hear this but I think what people wanted was more raids and gear. Not more dailies because that's easy and ultimately boring I feel. I mean it's hard to say what people wanted but if I had to guess it would be exactly that. More character progression. That doesn't mean more dailies but more of the same ways they had already had to make their guy stronger.
    And Blizzard has more to do. You've got Heroics, scenarios, dailies, new battlegrounds, raids including LFR for those who didn't in the past, pet battles, challenge modes. That's more than past expansions have offered up front, yet people are acting like dailies is the only thing implemented.

    More dungeons? Yeah, I'm going to wait and see on this one. Think about it this way; you put in 13 dungeons. End of the first two months people are geared and don't have reason to go back, particularly if LFR, dailies, challenge modes, scenarios are offering valor points for less time input. Alternatively, you could release 6 dungeons, 2 in a patch, 3 in a patch, 2 in a patch. If Blizz is planning that remains to be seen.

    More gear. Yeah, I don't think make more armor is what people asked for as content. I'm pretty sure an extra 3 sets would be far more underwhelming than more dailies.

    More pets the battle....there's plenty at the start.

    More zones, sure. More raids? Sure. Here's the thing. The expectations are unrealistic. Blizzard's raids and encounters aren't something that you should expect to have spit out on a monthly basis. If we were still in the EverQuest days of tank n spank don't stand in shit for every encounter, then we could. I'll agree we should expect more than Cataclysm delivered, though. Wrath had Ulduar, Toc, and ICC. Large, small, large in its patches. I think that's a fair expectation for an expansion.

    The daily quest chains are almost like new zones. As you progress through them, you get more story with a conclusion at exalted. Why people have concluded +20, +30, +40 strength equates to the exclusive concept of character progression is beyond me. Just stacking bigger numbers on armor isn't the only way to expand an MMO, raids are the exclusive feature that MMOs exist for. And yes, that's what I feel like I hear the most.

    More raids, new raids, more raids, no more leveling, no more questing, no dailies, raid, raid, raid. That's what I see from a multitude of complaints. And yes, I'm serious, but no, I'm not specifically directing that observation to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    Yes. Seriously how asanine of a question is that? Obviously not. We got an expansion filled with daily quests and the first patch is more daily quests and more rep grinds. Yea they've been catering to one group alright...
    So just out of curiosity....are you fully cleared on raids? Armory's fully geared head to toe in raid epics, right?

    Edit: Okay, not head to toe, but the items that you can get from raids so far? My understanding was the valor gear wasn't a necessity to get into opening raids. You CAN start without 'em, right?

    Maybe they should have gone back to BC method. Last boss drops a badge in heroics. Gather badges, buy loot.
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