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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    But don't call everyone a hater who isn't pretending that this was a great success. These sales numbers, in perspective of past sales, ARE a disappointment and Blizzard themselves knows it too. Fact. End of discussion.
    2.7 million sales in a week isn't a success? Please name me the other MMORPG doing this..

    And how would you know if they are a disappointment? You don't know the goal.
    For the first time ever, it didn't break and shatter all current sales-records. But it's still a great sale for any game, including WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripleh View Post
    2.7 million copies sold yet 10 mill players to the playerbase. It's funny watching people try to turn water into wine with such low numbers. 2.7 but weres the other 6.3 million? Or did all the fanboys forgot how to do math? Lets not forget the official annual report is in a couple months . A lot of sub losses can happen between now and then.
    I think you need to learn how to read the rest of the thread before you call anybody out on their math skills numpty. Game didn't launch yet in China and maybe other places in Asia or South America.

    And let's wait for the annual report in March/April right? I think you mean the quarterly since bookyears close 31st of March.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    It's hard to take you seriously when you tell us we're not entitled to facts, and then your first example is an opinion.

    Here's a fact: WoW is in a worse place than it was when Cata released and when WoTLK released (in terms of growth). You can't refute that.
    I can't. But for the first time soince Cata, WoW is experiencing growth. We can compare to Wrath all we want, but Cata is what we're trying to undo to get back to Wrath. And a player gain is the first step in that direction.

    And what I said about WoW not being crap is a fact. Ask anyone who played the game and they'll say it's an improvement. Again, positive motion is all we need at this moment in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voyager View Post
    Cata only sold more because of the false promises about it. It then plummeted after the failure that T11 was.
    Now since China is only 1 week delayed instead of 1 year it will soon soar back up to 12+ mil.
    T11 was the only fun i had during Cata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    I can't. But for the first time soince Cata, WoW is experiencing growth. We can compare to Wrath all we want, but Cata is what we're trying to undo to get back to Wrath. And a player gain is the first step in that direction.

    And what I said about WoW not being crap is a fact. Ask anyone who played the game and they'll say it's an improvement. Again, positive motion is all we need at this moment in time.
    You can't honestly call initial expansion burst growth. There will always, always, always be growth, no matter how bad this expansion was, we would have seen positive numbers. It can only be called growth if Q4 shows an increase after the burst.

    And improvement on poop doesn't make it any less poopier. "Crap" is opinion, sorry to say, not fact.
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  6. #166
    Is wow really in a state of decline if their subscriptions increased?

    Somehow i think many here are being deliberately irrational.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    Game over Pandaria haters.
    Game over WoW haters.
    Game over mainstream gaming media

    WoW didn't die, it grew. Yes sales were down, but keep in mind we also lost 2 million players.



    Remember my prediction back in August? "Those million who quit last quarter left from boredom. They will return for MoP."

    They're baaaaaccckkkkk~

    Now get off our forums before I run you out.
    Since you are driving people out of the forums, can you get out yourself? See, you may not like 'WoW haters' but I don't like haters in general. Or have you claimed some kind of ownership of the forums? Or maybe just as I don't have the right to get you out of these forums so you don't have the rights to tell people to leave. 10k+ posts don't make you the owner of these boards, nor someone that decides who stays and who leaves. Relax a bit.

    Also, they are not 'baaaaacckkkkk' From 12 million active subscribers to 9, then upwards to 10, leaves a good 2 millions that are certainly not back.

    And what is up with the growth? Are these not forums but a courtroom of sorts where white-lying is acceptable if it is going to win you the case? The only growth that occured was of the healing-wounds type. So it is not actual growth, it is regrowth. And not even a full recovery. What I can't understand is why would someone say such a thing. It certainly doesn't fool anyone, people can count just fine.

    I love World of WarCraft. It is one of my most favourite games ever. And I want the best for it, and for Blizzard. I am happy it did so good, and wish it becomes even better. But I don't understand the urge for some people to be so fanatic about the game, whether for or against it. It's a sad thing to see people stooping low over such a matter as sales for a game. You think only the people that mumble about 'WoW dying' are immature? Because I think that people that take the time to offend the WoW haters are equally immature. If you want to be seen as intelligent just enjoy your game, write about how good it is, and when you see a WoW hater just tell him that you disagree with him, state your objective reasons and then leave, politely, no need to be like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    GW2 is treading water
    ROFL! All US servers are Full or High, only one Medium server left. This is at 8:40am on a Thursday morning.
    They had to halt sales due to the overwhelming response and they've continued to increase server capacity to accomodate all the demand - did it again just this week!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    2.7 million sales in a week isn't a success? Please name me the other MMORPG doing this..

    And how would you know if they are a disappointment? You don't know the goal.
    For the first time ever, it didn't break and shatter all current sales-records. But it's still a great sale for any game, including WoW.
    Selling 250.000 copies of a game is considered a success for the majority of gaming companies.

    But if WoW ever had to come explain that their latest expansion sold 250.000 copies I doubt anyone would be joyous about it.

    You need to put things in perspective. For a gigantic company as Blizzard these sales numbers come as a hard blow to the gut, and hopefully this wont make them spin out of control again like they did during Cataclysm. I hope to see good quality content patches during MoP.

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    I guess it dropped almost 20% (18.18% if anyone want to know exactly) from Cataclysm because people find out about the Black Market Auction House!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    I can't. But for the first time soince Cata, WoW is experiencing growth. We can compare to Wrath all we want, but Cata is what we're trying to undo to get back to Wrath. And a player gain is the first step in that direction.
    We would only truly be experiencing growth if WoW had not hit the 10 million player mark before. As it stand's we've made no net gain.

    And what I said about WoW not being crap is a fact. Ask anyone who played the game and they'll say it's an improvement. Again, positive motion is all we need at this moment in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karizee View Post
    ROFL! All US servers are Full or High, only one Medium server left. This is at 8:40am on a Thursday morning.
    They had to halt sales due to the overwhelming response and they've continued to increase server capacity to accomodate all the demand - did it again just this week!
    GW2 is currently rejecting new sales of the game, no? I know it wasnt a few weeks ago.

    iIf there are no sales, there is no growth potential, thereby treading water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karizee View Post
    ROFL! All US servers are Full or High, only one Medium server left. This is at 8:40am on a Thursday morning.
    They had to halt sales due to the overwhelming response and they've continued to increase server capacity to accomodate all the demand - did it again just this week!
    Remember it is just a game, and I kind of agree with Dokhidamo here, the spotlight of GW2 is long gone and it wasn't the game changer people expected. Good job to Blizzard here, incredible expansion that adds so much more content which is a good change from the Cataclysm.

    Let's hope growth continues and the "wow is dead" talk can be put to bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    GW2 is currently rejecting new sales of the game, no? I know it wasnt a few weeks ago.

    iIf there are no sales, there is no growth potential, thereby treading water.
    This is pretty much what I was trying to get across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snarebusta View Post
    BC's 2.4 million was in one day. MOP's 2.7 million is in a whole week. Blizzard is presenting the numbers in a way that the typical user is less likely to notice how bad it is.

    2.4 million in one day but 3.5 in the first month. I doubt that the first week sales was a whole lot different than the first day. 2.7 million in the first week is in no way shape or form bad though. It took GW2 a month to sell 2 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMOTotal View Post
    Good job to Blizzard here, incredible expansion that adds so much more content which is a good change from the Cataclysm.

    Let's hope growth continues and the "wow is dead" talk can be put to bed.
    There isn't any growth to speak of.. Good lord people. If this was the first time WoW had hit 10m, yes it would be considered growth. But it's not, the game is still at a net loss.
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    I love how the fanboys just keep trying to bring GW2 into the argument because their beloved game faiiled hard.

    Don't troll
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious View Post
    There isn't any growth to speak of.. Good lord people. If this was the first time WoW had hit 10m, yes it would be considered growth. But it's not, the game is still at a net loss.
    It is growth, it was 9.1 million or something before MOP now it is at 10 million + which means growth happened. Simple. Why are you negative constantly anyway, should be happy

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    If MoP's 2.7 million sales is for a whole week... how is it a huge succes compared to Cata's 3.3 million sales at day one?

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    I laugh at the people who were like "Wow'z will never reach over 10 million again, you suck Stenchslash".
    Hah, take that Internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    Wrath sold 100,000 more copies in a week. Wrath had more subscribers.

    Cata far outsold any expansion, and most of those people hated it.


    MoP is legitimately loved by those who played it. But the three groups I mentioned have been on the internet waging a crusade to kill WoW.

    Well the mystique is gone. ToR self destructed, GW2 is treading water, while WoW gained back the 1 million subscribers.

    You may be entitled to your game, your opinions, and your internet access; but you are not entitled to your own facts. WoW isn't crap, dead, or dying. And any statements to the contrary will be quickly rebuffed.
    Preach on brother, preach on.

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