Mop - 2.7 million sold in first week

[Baar]

Except with a shirt, all you're physically able to do is change the design, plus.. it's real.

And with World of Warcraft, you're capable of more than just changing one graphic. Or would you like to disagree with that?

It's a RPG? What are you expecting? Do you understand what an RPG is?

Wow isn't a shirt or a car. It's a game that has mechanics which I trust should develop and evolve over time. Even features on a car do that actually. Hey if you think the game you love is a shirt well then go ahead and believe what you will. It belies what is a simplistic understanding of everything.

So are you telling me quests have not changed since the day warcraft was released?

[Zolascius]

I don't get it. New content is coming and people still complain. That new Brawler’s Guild thing sounds good and the war goes up a notch so I'm happy.

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Well if you were say Cory Stockton or Tom Chilton what would you add to the game.

If one flower was spawned on the ground and they labelled it 'Patch X', it'd still be 'new content'. You don't get that the complaints are about frequency and quantity - the best thing to try and appease the general needs of the playerbase is to release more content.. quantity is why people are pissed, not quality of small illegitimate things that many people dislike.

It's a RPG? What are you expecting? Do you understand what an RPG is?

??? Explain what point you're trying to make..

[Faroth]

uggh

Be more vocal on the official forums with constructive feedback. Requests for dailies and more to do was pretty loudly stated and apparently heard.

Personally, I like more dailies, but I'm going to throw you an olive branch and say any patch dailies should be shorter than Molten Front, but with the same idea: Gear rewards at friendly and then honored, revered, exalted for some vanity rewards. Transmog, mounts, etc. Molten Front was pretty good, but the up front 300 or so marks was a bit much.

[Glorious Leader]

So are you telling me quests have not changed since the day warcraft was released?

Not daily quests or at least not in any significant way. You do them once and turn them in at the end of the day. That isn't the point either though. Nothing about anything offered is "new" in the sense that we haven't seen this before. It may be "improved" or "different" but not unique or new in the sense that's it's the first time seeing something like this.

[fizzbob]

Except with a shirt, all you're physically able to do is change the design, plus.. it's real.

And with World of Warcraft, you're capable of more than just changing one graphic. Or would you like to disagree with that?



mists 2.7m included the pre-orders too, moot point.

it's not moot because you 100% missed the point smh. look at the QUESTION i quoted if you can see it from way up there on your sparkly horse.
so quick to be argumentative that you now look foolish.

[Zolascius]

Requests for dailies and more to do was pretty loudly stated and apparently heard.

Because daily quests are new and exciting content.

4.2 really screwed with your heads didn't it.

it's not moot because you 100% missed the point. look at the QUESTION i quoted if you can see it from way up there on your sparkly horse
so quick to be argumentative that you now look foolish.

It's the greatest mmorpg of all time, am I wrong in expecting anything of significant interest to the wider playerbase? Of course I am, because you've been tamed into appreciating bland unimaginative, and non-innovative scraps.

[Glorious Leader]

Be more vocal on the official forums with constructive feedback. Requests for dailies and more to do was pretty loudly stated and apparently heard.

Personally, I like more dailies, but I'm going to throw you an olive branch and say any patch dailies should be shorter than Molten Front, but with the same idea: Gear rewards at friendly and honored, revered, exalted for some vanity rewards. Transmog, mounts, etc. Molten Front was pretty good, but the up front 300 or so marks was a bit much.

That is a false interpretation. Like you can interpret "more to do" on so many levels. Could be more dungeons? more gear? more pets to battle? more zones to visit? and yes more raids. Your not gonna like to hear this but I think what people wanted was more raids and gear. Not more dailies because that's easy and ultimately boring I feel. I mean it's hard to say what people wanted but if I had to guess it would be exactly that. More character progression. That doesn't mean more dailies but more of the same ways they had already had to make their guy stronger.

[Baar]

Not daily quests or at least not in any significant way. You do them once and turn them in at the end of the day. That isn't the point either though. Nothing about anything offered is "new" in the sense that we haven't seen this before. It may be "improved" or "different" but not unique or new in the sense that's it's the first time seeing something like this.

So what would you like to see then?

[MoanaLisa]

Aside from I guess pet battles none of it is particularly new or unique. Scenarios are more or less group quests and dailies are well dailies. To what are you referring exactly?

I'm a lot different from you in that I don't mind doing dailies although I'll happily admit that I keep them fresh by not doing them every day, more like 3 times a week. I don't think I was ever in MF more than 3 days in a row and even now, I still have a few things to finish up so I can get the 36-slot gem bag. That said, because I never let MF get all that grindy, I still enjoy MF dailies. Just a different and much more patient way to play. It works for me. I don't expect it to work for others.

The more important thing for people who in principle don't mind questing and doing dailies is that there be a steady trickle of new ones to do. That way if you've done the rep grind for one set you can move on to something new. Some people hate dailies and that's fine.

One of the reasons why I think that MoP/Blizzard is on the right track now is that they're steadily increasing the number of things to do outside of just dailies, dungeons or raids. Anyone who relies solely on dungeons/raids for content is going to be unhappy.

The brawler thing looks great to me. I used to love doing the Gurubashi daily when I was leveling and only stopped because they were too easy on the one hand and there was a rogue on my server that camped the place and killed anyone and everyone he could. And as I said earlier, these might be good for the game as another way to test PVE players and teach them to use more of their abilities. Many of the MoP rares/elites are like this as well. If you just stand there and spam your usual damage spells without doing stuns, interrupts, CC or whatever, you'll die. That's a good thing.

[Glorious Leader]

So what would you like to see then?

Well that's kind of a broad question. What would I like to see in general or released for this patch?

[Zolascius]

So what would you like to see then?

If any player was capable of knowing what the innovation is, they've either experienced it already (so it isn't new) or they should consider applying for a job at Blizzard.

[fizzbob]

Because daily quests are new and exciting content.

4.2 really screwed with your heads didn't it.



It's the greatest mmorpg of all time, am I wrong in expecting anything of significant interest to the wider playerbase? Of course I am, because you've been tamed into appreciating bland unimaginative, and non-innovative scraps.

and now you either quoted the wrong thing or missed the point by about a mile lol. you are horrible at not only getting your point across but identifying the point that others are getting across. i think you need to slow down because your mind isn't keeping up at this point.

[yjmark]

That is a false interpretation. Like you can interpret "more to do" on so many levels. Could be more dungeons? more gear? more pets to battle? more zones to visit? and yes more raids. Your not gonna like to hear this but I think what people wanted was more raids and gear. Not more dailies because that's easy and ultimately boring I feel. I mean it's hard to say what people wanted but if I had to guess it would be exactly that. More character progression. That doesn't mean more dailies but more of the same ways they had already had to make their guy stronger.

Actually, lots of people have been asking for the limit on dailies to be raised/removed for quite a long time now. So there are a lot of people who actually want to do more dailies. Remember - just because you don't enjoy something, that does not mean that everyone agrees with you. There are many different types of playstyles that Blizz needs to accomodate, and people who enjoy dailies are one of them.

[Baar]

Well that's kind of a broad question. What would I like to see in general or released for this patch?

lets just talk about this patch for now.

What content would you like to see to be happy about it?

[Zolascius]

and now you either quoted the wrong thing or missed the point by about a mile lol. you are horrible at not only getting your point across but identifying the point that others are getting across. i think you need to slow down because your mind isn't keeping up at this point.

I think you need to learn how to construct a sentence before criticizing someone else.

I also think you should read my post instead of just hitting the Reply button.

Did I fail to get my point across? I'm terribly sorry: BLIZZARD IS MILKING IT. Is this clear enough?

[Kangodo]

Because they don't equate sub numbers to quality. And their also not in fucking denial.

:') You have to be fucking kidding me.
*opens a random "bash WoW"-thread*
Yeaaaaaaah...

The only people burying their head in the sand is the fanboys who try to claim losing 3 million subs over the last expansion is not a bad thing.

Because that is totally what we were discussing!

Instead of suddenly screaming hard about another topic you could admit that you were wrong and I was right.

Everytime I see a kangaroo icon next to a post I expect to read an avalanche of agitated fanboy dribble quickly jumping on anyone that has anything remotely bad to say about WoW. thanks for not disappointing.

Oh yes, because you have to be a fanboy to point out the obvious: WoW had another success.

You've already lost the battle when "your side" still has people claiming that:
-They lie against shareholders and make up sub-numbers.
-They only have those numbers because it has 6 million bots.
-That the proof for the bad quality of WoW can be found in the losing subs, than doing a 180-spin and yell that sub-numbers don't equal quality.
-They cheated on the sub-numbers by including free trials.

[MoanaLisa]

Well that's kind of a broad question. What would I like to see in general or released for this patch?

In general is probably more interesting. There's a good discussion to have about whether or not there can be too many things to do at endgame simply because too much stuff means that good things get ignored. But you can never have too many good ideas.

EDIT: laughing at completely contradicting slozon who asked the question to start with...apologies

[Baar]

I think you need to learn how to construct a sentence before criticizing someone else.

I also think you should read my post instead of just hitting the Reply button.

Did I fail to get my point across? I'm terribly sorry: BLIZZARD IS MILKING IT. Is this clear enough?

Releaseing more content = milking it.... Gotcha.

[Zolascius]

:') You have to be fucking kidding me.
*opens a random "bash WoW"-thread*
Yeaaaaaaah...

Substance, not even once.

Please try again

Releaseing more content = milking it.... Gotcha.

Actually it's 'less', not more. Far less than previous patches actually.

So yes, releasing less content = milking it.

[fizzbob]

I think you need to learn how to construct a sentence before criticizing someone else.

I also think you should read my post instead of just hitting the Reply button.

you MISTOOK my post that directly and CORRECTLY answered a question from someone else as a comparison with something that i didn't even mention.
MISTAKE #1

you then replied to my explanation of that by talking about expectations for wow based on its track record. i really think you quoted the wrong thing because if someone was that mentally challenged they'd forget their password and couldn't log in.
MISTAKE #2

either correct those or stop replying to me, i'm gonna die from laughter lol