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    Prot - Sha of Anger Quest reward

    Hey, Since this reset Sha of anger drops a quest wich rewards an Epic boot.

    Now as Prot paladin I don't really know wich one to pick with the new stat prio (hit>exp>mastery>haste>parry dodge)

    The dps one
    Haste and Mastery

    or the 'tank' one
    Dodge/parry

    It Feels wrong to take the dps one as tank but then again the stats...

    What are your thoughts / idee's about this ?


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    the mastery haste tank one

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    Your question is basically like a hunter asking wether or not to take an item with expertise.

    Stat priorities change, simple as that. The dps one is better.

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    Surely it is still beneficial to have SOME level of avoidance, though? It would seem odd that a Prot paladin is basically meant to take all DPS gear now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonwing View Post
    Surely it is still beneficial to have SOME level of avoidance, though? It would seem odd that a Prot paladin is basically meant to take all DPS gear now.
    Let me draw a parallel to my hunter.

    Sure, mastery and haste is nice, but crit will always be better. Crit will be better then the two other stats in every occation.
    Not like I am gonna pass over crit to get "some level" of haste and mastery. I get whatever haste and mastery I can, but every chance I get I max out crit.
    Same here. Avoidance is not useless, just not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Let me draw a parallel to my hunter.

    Sure, mastery and haste is nice, but crit will always be better. Crit will be better then the two other stats in every occation.
    Not like I am gonna pass over crit to get "some level" of haste and mastery. I get whatever haste and mastery I can, but every chance I get I max out crit.
    Same here. Avoidance is not useless, just not good.
    But should we still be seeing tanks running around in full DPS gear? Personally I have been taking items such as Parry/Hit and Dodge/Mastery, while reforging/gemming towards the mitigation stats. It just seems odd to me to be raiding with DPS gear, and if that truly is the better option, I expect Blizzard would make some sort of change soon.

    To clarify, in your example for your hunter, it is good to max out crit, but you will still get some level of mastery and haste from your gear. When it comes to tanking, though, it is completely possible to get a set of gear such that you have NO avoidance whatsoever. That seems strange if it is truly the better option than a mixture of avoidance/mitigation, with a bias towards mitigation.
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    Typing this on a tablet which I hate so forgive me if this is hard to read.

    The actual value for haste is still hard to quantify. It has shown great promise at high values but this early in the tier those values are out of reach or come at the sacrifice of other stats. If haste's effect on sotr uptime is truly as strong as its looking, you won't see paladins capitalising on it until at least next tier.

    As of right now in such small portions haste's influence is hard to value without using the Monte Carlo approximations that Theck has been working with.

    Since haste is so synergic with mastery you'll always need high amounts of one to give the other the boost it needs. I can have 20% haste with no mastery and potentially be worse off than having 0% haste and 10% mastery. From where I'm typing this I can't verify that, but if you read up on sacredduty.net you'll get an idea for the maths behind haste.

    While its easy to see this decision as a choice between gearing, if you take dodge/parry you'll be taking the tdr model etc, but it should be handled on a case by case basis.

    It's a personal call and you can't fault anyone for their choice, besides at 476 it'll be gone in two weeks. Taking the dodge/parry and reforging it works fine, haste/mastery is a bit riskier since we don't actually know how haste compares to avoidance at low percentiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonwing View Post
    Surely it is still beneficial to have SOME level of avoidance, though? It would seem odd that a Prot paladin is basically meant to take all DPS gear now.
    It is odd. Essentially if you look at any tank doing Challenge Modes/Raids they're going for Avoidance > Haste right now. However, as the majority don't do that level of content, there's a lot of people doing Haste > Avoidance. It works but it's probably not optimal at this level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MerinPally View Post
    It is odd. Essentially if you look at any tank doing Challenge Modes/Raids they're going for Avoidance > Haste right now. However, as the majority don't do that level of content, there's a lot of people doing Haste > Avoidance. It works but it's probably not optimal at this level.
    Mastery/Hit/Expertise is by far better then Avoidance for Challenge Modes.

    Also even though the DPS boots are better, they are both terrible in the end. You're better off getting Wraithplate Treads off Janice in Scholomance.

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    Stamina > Hit/exp 7.5% > Mastery > Haste > Parry/Dodge

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