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    Quote Originally Posted by CallMeGrey View Post
    We have been working on Elegon and finally got to the last phase - and everyone melts in about 10-15 seconds. Logs say that there is 350-400k raid damage per second going out. We are supposed to 2 heal thru that? (healers are monk and druid)

    We also have issues at times getting all the orbs down. Our dps are warrior, boomkin, lock, fire mage, hunter and ele shammy. The mage, hunter, and shammy sometimes have problems - lack of focus, no procs, ramp up for damage. We have the lock dot the mages target and the tank helping the shammy on one side and helping the hunter on the other, but still often are only able to get 3 waves down. Any tips?
    Hey there, first of all are you talking about normal or hard mode? The dmg you are mentioning in last phase is rather high -are you reseting stacks in last phase at all?
    Wierd that you get that amount of dmg within 10-15 seconds. We are 2 man healing it ever since we killed it first time , both on normal and hard mode.

    From hunter perspective:
    your hunter should use Cobra Shot before orbs/sparks spawn in order to have his focus bar filled up , and save instant shots / abillities for orbs. I personaly don't use serpent sting on those since they're duying very quick so it's waste of GCD.
    Also tell him /them to save some minor dps CD's for later spawns (3rd onwards) and use them wisely , one CD per new wave should do.

    We're experiencing problems with those only on hard mode and it's usualy only our ele shaman that can't kill 4th orb , even tho he's one of our best dps'rs in general.
    In general your burst classes shouldn't need help for orbs , it's mainly certain casters that should be supported by tanks.
    4+4 orbs is perfectly viable for both normal / hard mode if you struggle with those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tojara View Post
    I have one question regarding amber-shaper. Obviously if you DPS down the player construct to 20% you get the break free action command on your bar, what I am curious about is whether healing AFTER that occurs (by eating a pool) makes it so you can no longer break free.
    Yes it makes it so that you cannot break free if the healing brings you above 20%. The timing usually works out that each construct must eat one pool so factor that when dosing constructs down.

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    Does Zen Meditation work on Force Verve on Zor'lok encounter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilisa View Post
    Does Zen Meditation work on Force Verve on Zor'lok encounter?
    Yes it does

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daredalus View Post
    Yes it does
    Thanks for lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishgirl View Post
    Our healing team is actually really strong but our Hpala wasn't available yesterday though. It's probably more about the dps not doing enough to keep themselves alive tbh, they rely too much on the healers in general. But if you managed to do this with an oom healer, our raiders just have to step it up.
    It is highly possible your DPS rely too much on your healers, which is to be expected to some extent, though in certain situations they really have to prioritize keeping everyone alive above their own personal output.

    Our ele shaman somehow managed to pull out 22k HPS on the fight by popping healing CDs and burning heals towards the end, and our druid tank was also very reactive and managed to pop a tranq at some point while the boss was channeling the AOE. Having raiders take initiative and doing these things which normally goes beyond their roles are the difference between a kill and a wipe in tight spots like the one we found ourselves in.

    I would claim to say executing the fight itself is not very challenging once you have a solid strategy and setup, though, so I will simply wish you good luck.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matash View Post
    I already did that with our mage who is now doing around 70k on dummy without buffs, so i have become a little expert on mages, because I did study it properly. But I must say I dont know if I am able to do this with everyone Is there some mighty dps who want to transfer to drakthul eu alliance to play with me? ;-) One skilled tank would be cool as well
    Well, good job with your mage then. Though do not feel it is your responsibility to study every class and spec in great detail to the point where you know more about the class than your raiders. For the most part they should be able to handle it themselves, but they might need a push in the right direction, which is where you come in.

    I would suggest informing your raiders in detail of how you and your mage went through his character and performance to find where improvements could be made, and ask your raiders to put in some effort to do the same. Encourage them to help each other and be ready to assist those who need it the most. The important thing is that everyone understands what you expect of them, which at a minimum should be what I listed earlier, and actually do it.

    Be careful not to hold their hands through this process though, just guide them ever so slightly.
    Last edited by Kanath; 2012-11-02 at 10:00 PM.

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    Rain of Blades,

    Can someone tell me how they handle this shit? We use our disc priests, everyone has a shield on the first two... (which seem 1 minute apart). Then (i dont know why....) during after that it starts taking 10 seconds off it's cooldown... every now and then it just casts it faster and faster...

    Meaning we use tranq, demo banners... R/C.... The Disc priests Dome (no clue about the name)....

    Yet i find healing super unstable... the further we get into this shit the more worried i become

    This the the rain of blades after all the adds are dead, incase anyone was wondering

    We're doing this 3 healers, 1 tank.

    How many people need to be out of melee to not get windbombs there? (At the moment all three healers run around like twats... and aren't standing still)
    Odeanathus is one of those people who get's a job driving the special bus just to make fun of the disabled kids....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odeanathus View Post
    Rain of Blades,

    Can someone tell me how they handle this shit?

    We used our Monk's Revival for the first.
    Resto Druid Tranq for the second.
    Bear Tranq for the third.
    Revival again for the 4th.


    Not sure what our Holy Paladin did.
    Last edited by apinksquash; 2012-11-02 at 11:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanath View Post
    It is highly possible your DPS rely too much on your healers, which is to be expected to some extent, though in certain situations they really have to prioritize keeping everyone alive above their own personal output.

    Our ele shaman somehow managed to pull out 22k HPS on the fight by popping healing CDs and burning heals towards the end, and our druid tank was also very reactive and managed to pop a tranq at some point while the boss was channeling the AOE. Having raiders take initiative and doing these things which normally goes beyond their roles are the difference between a kill and a wipe in tight spots like the one we found ourselves in.

    I would claim to say executing the fight itself is not very challenging once you have a solid strategy and setup, though, so I will simply wish you good luck.



    Well, good job with your mage then. Though do not feel it is your responsibility to study every class and spec in great detail to the point where you know more about the class than your raiders. For the most part they should be able to handle it themselves, but they might need a push in the right direction, which is where you come in.

    I would suggest informing your raiders in detail of how you and your mage went through his character and performance to find where improvements could be made, and ask your raiders to put in some effort to do the same. Encourage them to help each other and be ready to assist those who need it the most. The important thing is that everyone understands what you expect of them, which at a minimum should be what I listed earlier, and actually do it.

    Be careful not to hold their hands through this process though, just guide them ever so slightly.
    As a Bear tank myself, I used every NS to heal and popped Tranq - I even landed a few Healing Touch as well. Our Spriest had Symbiosis, so he could Tranq and our Prot Pala was using WoG and LoH.

    However I think we figured out, what we need to do different. We weren't stacked enough for the AoE, then move out really fast after not to get hit in the face by the blade thing or w/e it is he throws at people.

    This boss will go down fast on Sunday for sure and then it's off to Heroic Elegon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishgirl View Post
    As a Bear tank myself, I used every NS to heal and popped Tranq - I even landed a few Healing Touch as well. Our Spriest had Symbiosis, so he could Tranq and our Prot Pala was using WoG and LoH.

    However I think we figured out, what we need to do different. We weren't stacked enough for the AoE, then move out really fast after not to get hit in the face by the blade thing or w/e it is he throws at people.

    This boss will go down fast on Sunday for sure and then it's off to Heroic Elegon.
    Yea, the stacking up part was a bit tricky, as the bossmod timers were off. What we did was that when the timer was at like below 10 seconds we simply moved close to him and prepared to stack up as soon as he would cast it.

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    Really awesome thread, but its very unconfortable to go throught 17 pages to find an answer - could you sort all Qs/As on your OP, please?

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    Was wondering if anyone could give a few tips on Heroic Elegon as well?

    We're aiming for Windlord Normal ofc and then Heroic Elegon this weekend and from what I can see, the main difference is the add and the fact that there's the "zones" or w/e you call them, where you're out of LoS from heals?

    How much HP does the orbs have? And how is the Enrage timer compared to dps output?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishgirl View Post
    Was wondering if anyone could give a few tips on Heroic Elegon as well?

    We're aiming for Windlord Normal ofc and then Heroic Elegon this weekend and from what I can see, the main difference is the add and the fact that there's the "zones" or w/e you call them, where you're out of LoS from heals?

    How much HP does the orbs have? And how is the Enrage timer compared to dps output?
    Heroic Elegon is very easy for being a heroic boss. Difference being more hp and dmg and the adds that you have to soak in a rotation. When you are inside the circle, you are LOS from anything outside, and opposite.

    Phase 1, you should have 2 adds and then 3 or 4 adds the second time. Do everything like normal, except reset your stacks when the add is at 30-40% before he starts exploding at 25%. When it is exploding outside, have your soaker run out there, pop whatever CD he uses to survive, and then if he goes below 80% HP, you need one of your healers to go outside to heal him up again (he gets stunned which deals damage unless he is healed up). After soaking, he gains a debuff for 2 minutes in which he cannot soak again, so a rotation is needed. Just like on Ultraxion except with 1 person instead of 2.

    Phase 2, kill 4 waves of orbs then tunnel the boss until ~3 seconds before floor despawns.

    Phase 3, kill the pillars at about the same time. Then kill the adds like you do on normal.

    Repeat

    In the burn phase, stack up at a mark, pop BL, CDs, 2nd pots. We reset our stacks at somewhere between 5-7, but some prefer to not reset at all.

    Orbs have about 700k hp. Enrage timer should not be an issue unless you are incapable of getting 10 stacks on the boss.

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    Quick check.
    On Will of the Emperor 10N if you are running a meleeheavy setup with 2 or 3 melee should they stay on bosses all the time or help out on adds?
    Any input is highly appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uniqed View Post
    Quick check.
    On Will of the Emperor 10N if you are running a meleeheavy setup with 2 or 3 melee should they stay on bosses all the time or help out on adds?
    Any input is highly appreciated!
    Help out with the adds. Unless your 2/3 remaining dps can keep them all under control (which is doubful)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanath View Post
    Heroic Elegon is very easy for being a heroic boss. Difference being more hp and dmg and the adds that you have to soak in a rotation. When you are inside the circle, you are LOS from anything outside, and opposite.

    Phase 1, you should have 2 adds and then 3 or 4 adds the second time. Do everything like normal, except reset your stacks when the add is at 30-40% before he starts exploding at 25%. When it is exploding outside, have your soaker run out there, pop whatever CD he uses to survive, and then if he goes below 80% HP, you need one of your healers to go outside to heal him up again (he gets stunned which deals damage unless he is healed up). After soaking, he gains a debuff for 2 minutes in which he cannot soak again, so a rotation is needed. Just like on Ultraxion except with 1 person instead of 2.

    Phase 2, kill 4 waves of orbs then tunnel the boss until ~3 seconds before floor despawns.

    Phase 3, kill the pillars at about the same time. Then kill the adds like you do on normal.

    Repeat

    In the burn phase, stack up at a mark, pop BL, CDs, 2nd pots. We reset our stacks at somewhere between 5-7, but some prefer to not reset at all.

    Orbs have about 700k hp. Enrage timer should not be an issue unless you are incapable of getting 10 stacks on the boss.
    Cheers, this was about the same things I could gather as well.

    Quick question though, why only kill 4 waves of spheres and not 5? Is it cause they have too much HP and move too fast at that point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishgirl View Post
    Cheers, this was about the same things I could gather as well.

    Quick question though, why only kill 4 waves of spheres and not 5? Is it cause they have too much HP and move too fast at that point?
    We just didn't even bother to try, killing 4 waves was enough.
    Last edited by Kanath; 2012-11-03 at 08:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanath View Post
    We just didn't even bother to try, killing 4 waves was enough.
    But then your overall dps must have been fairly good? Cause I remember our first Normal Elegon kill, we actually hit the enrage timer and only got it, cause our Prot Pala bubbled while the dots and his dps finished the boss lol. On the following kills we didn't have issues though, but we also killed 5 waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishgirl View Post
    But then your overall dps must have been fairly good? Cause I remember our first Normal Elegon kill, we actually hit the enrage timer and only got it, cause our Prot Pala bubbled while the dots and his dps finished the boss lol. On the following kills we didn't have issues though, but we also killed 5 waves.
    Yea, our DPS is good

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    Quote Originally Posted by UcanDoSht View Post
    Really awesome thread, but its very unconfortable to go throught 17 pages to find an answer - could you sort all Qs/As on your OP, please?
    As I said a few pages back (I think 1) I'm no longer raiding 10mans, I only monitor this thread to see if there are questions that I can still answer :/
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