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    Rep Changes Feedback, Lorewalkers Exalted Guide, Patch 5.0.5 Hotfixes, Blue Posts

    Public Test Realm Patch 1.0.5 Notes Update, PTR Maintenance for 1.0.5 Update, New Stash Tab Graphics

    Mists of Pandaria - Patch 5.1 PTR Coming Soon

    Upcoming Reputation Changes Feedback
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    There has been a lot of great feedback and thanks to everyone who has posted. For the past couple days, I've been reading what you've shared and working with our developers to address some of your concerns and suggestions, so let's get started:

    A few of you asked about guild reputation being affected by the changes and the answer is no. It's not my intent to sound harsh here so let me briefly explain: Patch 5.0.4 saw significant increases to how quickly players can level with their guild and we're pretty comfortable with the changes as they are.

    Many of you have been wondering which factions will be affected by this change. The short answer is we are in the midst of discussing this now. Our thinking at this point in time is to ultimately have all the various factions affected by the increase, but that process will require extra time to test. So one idea we have is to roll out changes to Mists of Pandaria factions first, and then work in earlier expansion-based factions with patches that come later. Granted, this is very much a work-in-progress, subject-to-change situation but keep the feedback coming, it's been very helpful!

    With regard to the amount of reputation needed for Honored to Revered, versus Revered to Exalted; we're definitely aware of the difference in numbers and are taking your concerns to heart.

    One of the most asked questions so far is, what gives with the tabard changes? When we introduced reputation tabards in The Burning Crusade, they were set to be used as a means to gain attunement for raiding. Sadly, the specificity of each tabard made it so they discouraged players from running dungeons together. If one player needed reputation from one dungeon, while his friend needed it for another, the two ended up not playing together when they would have liked to. You saw the shift away from this philosophy during Wrath of the Lich King and on into Cataclysm.

    For Mists of Pandaria, though, we feel dungeons are already rewarding so it made the most sense to have reputation earned by doing things for each particular faction. The various factions are what really bring a lot of the flavor and character to the world of Pandaria. We weren’t very happy that the status quo in Cataclysm was to virtually ignore most factions and what they’re about, by instead doing the fairly unrelated task of running dungeons. It provided a way for players to essentially double dip on rewards from dungeons and faction reputations simply by putting on a shirt when queuing. In Mists we’ve changed the reward structure in a way that we feel makes for a better, more diverse gameplay experience.

    For those of you concerned about Golden Lotus related quests, keep your eyes on the forums for some very helpful information we're working on right now that we hope to have posted by Monday.

    My work isn't done and if I get more information I can share, I'll be sure to post it. Thanks again, everyone! Your feedback is very much appreciated.

    Lorewalkers Exalted Guide
    WoWInsider has a nice guide on how to quickly earn exalted with The Lorewalkers and earn the Disc of the Red Flying Cloud. You can find video of the locations in game in the video guide that the map comes from.





    Patch 5.0.5 Hotfixes - October 4
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    General
    • The Sha of Anger now respawns more frequently, but less predictably.
    • Galleon can no longer be taunted, and both he and his companions are now more dangerous.
    • The cost to learn Battle Pet Training has been reduced from 100 gold to 10 gold.

    Classes
    Druid (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)

    Death Knight (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • The Chillblains talent now works properly with Chains of Ice. Casting Chains of Ice on a target will apply both the Chillblains snare and the Chains of Ice rooting effect.

    Mage (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)

    Monk (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Resuscitate now casts correctly in Arenas.
    • Chi Torpedo is now a full body effect, targeting friends and foes immediately surrounding the Monk, rather than those near the front of the Monk's body.

    Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)

    Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)

    Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)

    Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Five combo point Deadly Throw finishing moves will no longer interrupt the spells cast by a Paladin under the effects of Devotion Aura.

    Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)

    Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Players with Elemtental or Restoration specializations no longer suffer pushback when casting Elemental Blast.

    Creatures
    • The Sha of Anger will no longer rudely interrupt the meals of those who are not engaged in combat with him.
    • The Sha of Anger will now correctly respawn after a wipe.
    • Players that are not eligible for loot from the Sha of Anger will no longer be able to use an Elder Charm of Good Fortune for an extra loot roll.
    • Dagou, objective of "The Guo-Lai Halls", is no longer tameable.
    • Blackmane Pillagers now award significantly less experience.
    • Sra’thik Warcallers, Sra’thik Swiftclaws, and Sra’thik Kunchongs now drop loot commensurate with their difficulty, given the assistance of Niuzao.
    • Birds of Pandaria are now hormone free. These healthier, slimmer birds will now drop Wildfowl Breast somewhat less frequently.
    • Honor quartermasters have been working out; they now have the correct amount of health and deal increased damage.
    • Peacekeepers of both factions in the Vale of Eternal Blossoms now have increased health.

    Items
    • The mana gained from the two piece set bonuses provided by Tier 12 healing sets has been reduced.
    • The Coin of Luck now grants 537 Critical Strike instead of haste.
    • Brann Bronzebeard is no longer interested in buying Crates of Archaeology Fragments.
    • Using the Phase Fingers tinker on gloves will now increase the player's dodge rating by 2,880 for 10 seconds. The tinker can only be activated once per minute.
    • The Hunter glyph, Glyph of Black Ice will no longer appear in auction house searches for Monk glyphs.
    • The lore book, "The Wandering Widow" should now be visible regardless of player phase.
    • Players can no longer sell the Warbot Ignition Key to vendors after retrieving it from the mailbox or purchasing it from Jepetto Joybuzz.

    Pet Battles
    • The pet ability Expunge now deals more damage.
    • Certain captured pets now appear correctly in the Pet Journal.
    • Cassandra Kaboom's pets are now the correct level.
    • Players are now able to obtain Pristine Pet Traps and Strong Pet Traps from the achievements "Pro Pet Crew" and "Going to Need More Traps".

    Quests
    • All players attacking Dagou will now properly receive quest credit when he is slain.
    • Bloodknight Antari has adopted a more sedentary life-style.
    • Phasing now functions correctly after the quest "The Final Power" has been completed.
    • Leven Dawnblade is now easier to find.
    • Leven Dawnblade will now correctly allow players to turn in "The Secrets of Guo-Lai".
    • Kaz'tik the Manipulator is now clearer about his unwillingness to chat with players.
    • Players should no longer become disconnected after defeating a Great White Plainshawk during the quest "A Lesson in Bravery".
    • Players on the quest "Viseclaw Soup" will find that Viseclaw Scuttlers now have more eyeballs.
    • The quest "Extending Our Coverage" now offers appropriate experience, gold and reputation.
    • Skeer the Bloodseeker will now correctly emerge from the Ancient Amber Chunk even if a player dies while casting Break Amber.
    • Skeer the Bloodseeker is now appropriately conversational in the course of "The Scent of Blood".
    • The quest "Striking First" can now be completed.
    • It is no longer possible to obtain the quest "The Gou-Lai Halls" without fulfilling its prerequisites.
    • The Yak Wash will now make all but the filthiest Yaks sparkling clean.
    • Fixed an issue where players were sometimes unable to obtain the quest "Barring Entry".
    • Fixed several issues with the quest "Stones of Power".
    • Players will now properly receive credit for the quest "The Ritual" in Kun-Lai Summit.
    • Trainees will now properly concede defeat in the course of completing "The Lesson of Stifled Pride".

    Dungeons & Raids
    • Bonus loot rolls on The Stone Guard in Mogu'Shan Vaults now yield appropriate loot.
    • Players that have defeated The Stone Guard will receive Valor Points appropriately in all difficulties.
    • Players are now able to obtain the guild achievement for completing Mogu'Shan Vaults.
    • Enemies will no longer respawn incorrectly in Mogu'Shan Vaults.
    • Slaying Elegon while he is beginning to Enrage will no longer sometimes prevent his chest from spawning.
    • After sensitivity training, Master Snowdrift now respects personal boundaries, and will no longer sometimes give awkwardly long hugs.
    • The creatures in Shado-Pan Monastery found between the Sha of Violence and Corrupted Taran Zhu are now less difficult.
    • The Shado-Pan Trainees will now attack during "The Battle Ring".
    • General Pa'valak's Blade Rush will no longer target pets in the Siege of Niuzao Temple.
    • Enemies in the Scarlet Monastery will no longer ignore line of sight when using ranged abilities against players.
    • Fixed an issue with Rom'ogg Bonecrusher's Chains of Woe.

    PvP
    Battlegrounds
    • The health of Demolishers in Strand of the Ancients now scales correctly with their drivers.
    • The time limit for Warsong Gulch has been reduced from 25 to 20 minutes.

    Bug Fixes
    • Resolved several issues that could occur with Cross Realm Zones.
    • The respawn rate of Ghost Iron Ore has been reduced to the correct value.
    • Windwool Cloth now drops less frequently from enemies.
    • Cyclonic Inspiration now persists until players leave their respective faction strongholds in the Vale of Eternal Blossoms.
    • The guild perk, The Quick and the Dead, now increases the movement speed of dead players by 10%, down from 100%.
    • Players are now able to properly earn the "Save it for Later" achievement from the Greenstone Village scenario.
    • Completing Rare and normal Cataclysm archaeology projects will now correctly grant skill increases.
    • Dark Soil in the Valley of the Four Winds now respawns correctly.
    • Level 10 characters logging into Mists of Pandaria for the first time will now correctly learn Control Pet and Control Demon.

    Pet Battle Blue Posts
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Pet Battles Achievements
    We have a quick update about the Pet Battles achievements you guys have been great in reporting: Cory Stockton has just announced that they've located what was causing the issue and it has been hotfixed. They should be functioning correctly now across both factions. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Pet Battles Hotfixes Update
    Here is the latest information I’ve received from our developers regarding some of the concerns you folks have shared with us:

    • Several of the hotfixes that have been applied needed realm restarts to take affect; with today’s maintenance, they should now be in place
      • Tooltip text on abilities that had balance fixes (e.g. Siphon Life)
      • Pets that didn’t appear in the journal (e.g. Crimson Moth); there are still a few pets missing which should show up after next week’s maintenance
    • Expunge damage has been increased by 10%
    • Pet Battles matchmaking has received some tweaks, you should now find PvP matches to be much more in line with your pets’ levels even if your opponent’s pets are dramatically different in level
    • Inputs randomly skipping should finally be resolved as of today’s restarts
    • We’re still working on Strong and Pristine traps not applying correctly and working on fixing this as quickly as possible

    As you continue to take on Azeroth’s ferocious critters, please don’t hesitate to let us know if you encounter any issues, specifically with inputs being skipped. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Pet Battle Feedback
    Will we continue to see updates to the system as the game goes on? I would love to see different abilities for pet families being able to be obtained through quests or vendors, or have the ability to upgrade certain areas of the pet (adjust the speed attribute at the expense of power, etc).
    Yes. We will be planning additional updates (as they make sense) to the system over time. We'll make sure to share those when we can. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Pet Battle Feedback
    No it wouldn't be diverse. Everyone would pick the most OP one of them all and stick with that.
    Not only that, if it was possible to choose your own pet skills as suggested by the OP, people would have less of a reason to go out to explore and search the world for different pets.

    The actual system is fine as it is, there just needs tuning and bug fixing.
    Indeed

    That doesn't follow, at all. I'm not ragging on the pet battle system, it's great. But it could be even greater. All I'm talking about is having one (1) open slot for an optional skill or item which would be gained from dungeon drops, crafting and so on. And nothing OP. Just minor things. Say, a totem that gives you 10% off shadow damage. etc.
    I did not think you were ragging on the pet battle system at all, in fact we very much appreciate that you would spend this time coming up with ideas for the pet battle system.

    Edit: but back to the non sequitor: how would this make us less willing to collect pets?
    Because having a selectable pet skill combined with two "racial" pet skills is much more likely to result in specific cookie-cutter pets, and our experience tells us that as soon as something is cookie-cutter, the majority of players will go for that without question and ignore the rest.

    Cookie-cutter pets would mean less flavour simply because the majority of players would go for the same handful of pets, and the rest would simply be disregarded and ignored. People are prone to select the things that are considered best, and in this case it would be a specific handful of pets because their "racial" skills combined with a specific selectable skill would make them superior and therefore the obvious choice... people would simply be inclined to just go get those three pets in the game that are considered best and then stick with those.

    I'm not a game developer beyond PHP/Ajax stuff on a hobby basis, but I have a hard time understanding how this can be a problem outweighing the benefits unless it's been implemented with little thought. Of course some combinations are going to be very good but so are a myriad of others.

    If what you are really saying is that the excel nerds will completely demolish the people with random cute pets, a little more than now, then I can sort of see that.

    I'm not saying an idea like what you suggest couldn't be done and wouldn't be fun, but I am saying that it would most likely result in something that is not intended with the pet battle system. One of the goals with the pet battle system is exploration, to go out into the world to find and gather pets, and to experiment with the different synergies between different pets and pet families... The pet battle system is not meant for the min-maxing crowd, it is meant to be a rather casual yet fun thing you can do in-game whenever you have a little spare time available.

    How about adding passives to (some) pets beyond the pet families? Maybe steal some spells off the players? I've collected a decent bunch of pets by now and there's not much variety. That's where I'm coming from.

    Edit: I also want to re-emphasize that I'm not whining about the pet battle system, I'm having great fun with it. Spent the last few days going through zones and collecting rare pets and achievements. But I'm seeing maybe 3-4 amazing team combinations; there could be more if pets weren't so strictly formulaized with the same skills across hundreds of pets. Or, having a free slot as suggested in OP. Or, a small chance of one of the skills on a collected pet being drawn from a random pool.

    I get where you are coming from, and calling for more variety is never a bad thing. It will just have to be done in a way that will not render a huge portion of pets irrelevant as a result of customisation making a handful of pets the obvious(and therefore the only) choice. (Official Forums)
    Last edited by chaud; 2012-10-06 at 10:09 AM.

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    The guild perk, The Quick and the Dead, now increases the movement speed of dead players by 10%, down from 100%

    Why the hell would they change this? Fucking stupid!

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    quick and the dead change is bound to be tied to the world bosses and darkmoon rabbit, res zerg ftl

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    "When we introduced reputation tabards in The Burning Crusade"

    Eh.. what? As far as I remember, reputation tabards were introduced in WotLK.
    I don't remember wearing a tabard in TBC dungeons, instead chose the dungeon(s) that gave the rep I wanted...
    Or am I remembering it all wrong???

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweboy99 View Post
    "When we introduced reputation tabards in The Burning Crusade"

    Eh.. what? As far as I remember, reputation tabards were introduced in WotLK.
    I don't remember wearing a tabard in TBC dungeons, instead chose the dungeon(s) that gave the rep I wanted...
    Or am I remembering it all wrong???
    Nope, they were there, except you needed exalted with the faction to buy them. I've long accepted the fact that blizzard has no idea what they are ever talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenaw View Post
    Nope, they were there, except you needed exalted with the faction to buy them. I've long accepted the fact that blizzard has no idea what they are ever talking about.
    Yeah I know about the tabards you bought when you were exalted.. but they were never any "reputation tabards" as in "You champion bla bla while wearing bla bla...".
    Oh well.. I remembered it correctly then

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweboy99 View Post
    "When we introduced reputation tabards in The Burning Crusade"

    Eh.. what? As far as I remember, reputation tabards were introduced in WotLK.
    I don't remember wearing a tabard in TBC dungeons, instead chose the dungeon(s) that gave the rep I wanted...
    Or am I remembering it all wrong???
    Nah, you are right. In TBC they introduced the tabards you could buy when you hit exalted, WotLK introduced the tabards that required Friendly reputation so you could earn reputation in instances while using them.
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    Ah, I thought I went crazy when I was running back to my corpse after I died once, but I guess it was just the hotfix kicking in. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ineras View Post
    Ah, I thought I went crazy when I was running back to my corpse after I died once, but I guess it was just the hotfix kicking in. :/
    You are not the only one ...if at least they showed the note about that BEFORE it happened, and I like that they say ''reduced windwool and ghost iron ore'' Liek it was a bug LOL, srly everyone knwo they crank up the respawn rate at the start of each xpac. windwool is less frequent...but at least ghost iron ore is still REALLY present.
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    OMFG Archaeology bug fix. Finally.

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    Oh gods, they just nerfed one of the greatest guild perks into the ground. The Quick and the Dead was wonderful, and a great reason to even be in a guild! I'm not happy with this nerf..

    I hope they get a lot of negative feedback on this. I understand where they are coming from, concerning the world bosses. Still, can't they just make it 50% or only 10% in Pandaria?

    *long sigh*

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    So another useless guild perk and yet HGWT is removed

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    My question is, why the hell is WSG now 20 Minutes instead of 25? No need to make it any shorter
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    FFS why can't they fix the constant casting sound on mages already. I can't even play mine its that bloody annoying. Feels like my brain is going explode.

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    10% might as well just be 0%. Yet again they remove perks we EARNED. GG

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    I don't know about most people, when I was searching for a Lorewalker guide. Google gave me MMO-C forum post which was posted back in August that was 3 days ago. Seem I would credit the Forum post instead of wowinsider.

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    "The guild perk, The Quick and the Dead, now increases the movement speed of dead players by 10%, down from 100%."

    HAHAHA so it was bugged all of Cata.

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    I'm beginning to think Blizzard is straight up LYING when it comes to a lot of nerfs by telling us they were bugs (despite tooltips and the actual effects in-game) just to try and keep us from raging.

    But hey, this is the same company whom took away one of the best guild perks ever that NO ONE hated (group summon) and replaced it with one of the most useless EVER (the bandage healing increase).

    Quote Originally Posted by Caerule View Post
    I understand where they are coming from, concerning the world bosses. Still, can't they just make it 50% or only 10% in Pandaria?

    *long sigh*
    No, summons have a timer when you die too much so one measly death with a faster running speed should not be attacked. So still there is no logical justification other than internally they may have intended it always to be 10% but never told us and now try to pass it off as a bug. Also the 10% only in Pandaria idea of yours might as well be everywhere since ALL endgame content is in Pandaria which is where you will die the most.
    Last edited by Eleveneleven; 2012-10-06 at 06:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenaw View Post
    Nope, they were there, except you needed exalted with the faction to buy them. I've long accepted the fact that blizzard has no idea what they are ever talking about.
    The messed up the context then. They speak about reputation changes and reffer to reputation tabard which would lead to believe they mean the tabards that help people gain rep. I mean why would you talk about tabards at the end of reputation grind when we speak about reputation grind PROCESS?

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    we feel dungeons are already rewarding
    Are they fucking nuts? This has been the least rewarding dungeon experience I've ever had in the game. Seriously. You've got to be kidding me...

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