Pandaren are a nice touch, but not made for Warcraft

[Durandro]

The OP is not saying Pandaren are childish or something. What he is saying is that their attitude feels weird for World of Warcraft. I play this game to escape the real world, I don't want my half leveling process to 90 to be chasing vermin from farmlands, watering crops and making beer, yet most of it is exactly like this. I also feel that this expansion is just a pause to the real game and I don't really approve it, because it doesn't feel like WoW to me.

I guess you missed the 90% of quests that involve the usual mass killings of enemy monsters and soldiers, burning of villages, stealing of relics and usual Warcraft questing. Or you have a selective memory.

By the logic here I can sum Burning Crusade quests up as being 'poo collection quests'.

[Immitis]

That pretty much sums it up.

except what he describes is only 1 zone, the rest of the zones are dark and gritty with lighthearted moments. the entire expansion is about war anyone who cant see that hasnt actually played through it because its obvious

[Sturmbringe]

Yesterday I was doing a dungeon run with a blood elf death knight, undead warlock, orc warrior, troll priest, tauren druid and panda mage... The panda mage really was the odd one out in the picture.

In 2007 the odd ones ın the pıcture were blood elves. You wouldn't believe the amount of QQ threads at the official forums b/c elves joined the Horde. People were cancelling their accounts and posting that in the forums, others were threatening to quit, others were nerd-raging. Fun times.

Anyway, Blizzard's dev choice is to focus on the 12-15 y.o. segment of the player base, so the game will be getting progressively more and more childish and ridiculous. Next playable race will probably be Furbolgs, and the final boss will be Pikachu on steroids.

Blizzard will keep getting dumber and dumber, so long as there are millions of 12-15 year olds who put tons of money in this game.

[Linzo]

If u don't like Pandaren pick a different race...

I don't understand what the problem is.

[Durandro]

except what he describes is only 1 zone, the rest of the zones are dark and gritty with lighthearted moments. the entire expansion is about war anyone who cant see that hasnt actually played through it because its obvious

Yep. And its willful ignorance as well, since to get to Valley of the Four Winds you need to do Jade Forest - a zone filled with war, pressganging civilians, massacring surrendering soldiers, igniting racial hatreds and destroying the homeland of the peaceful inhabitants before then accidently summoning a Sha and destroying the new avatar of the Jade Serpent.

No, this expansion is DEFINATELY Farmville. Definately. Yes.

[Demetrion]

If Blizzard had wanted to make agame apart, or integrate them into Titan, I would have had no problem with the existence of pandaren and their lore.

But their endless stream of peaceful, happy drinking Starfleet explorers atmosphere is totally out of Warcraft context.

I come back every expansion to hate something and to WAR, not to solve problems about evil spirits and find reasons about what is worth fighting for.

I figh for the hate I feel for my ravaged lands and my murdered heroes, I fight for the lust of revenge and the desire to shed the blood of my enemies until the rivers run red with it, I fight in the name of the Light and with the forces of the elements to resolve unquenchable blood feuds with this alliance that is the Horde.

I fight for Jaina Proudmoore and Theramore, I fight for Vrynn and his past suffering, I fight for Lothar, for Alleria, for Dannath, for Uther.

Pandaren, you're a wonderful and fresh race, but this conflict is beyond you, and you simply do not share the fury of our races nor will you ever understand it.

You will never understand the joy I feel when I slash a blood elf in two or cleave an orc's head off his shoulders. That is the real war.

Go back to your Mists and take care of your evil spirits problems, the rest of the world is at war with its own past, and will be forevermore.

Garrosh has seen to that.

Evil spirits are manifestation of an Old God (if my sources are correct). Until we came to Pandaria, sha was nowhere to be found except in the books, so we need to clean the mess we made by stepping on their land.

Furthermore, in next content patches there will be much more war, and as rest of the poster said in this thread, have you really explored all of pandaria? Valley of the Four Winds is the only "peaceful" region there. Rest are at war and a very grim one. Go to Dread Wastes, meet the Shado-Pan warriors, explore Kun'Lai summit. Lots of stuff to see, and lots of war involved there.

[Durandro]

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Blizzard will keep getting dumber and dumber, so long as there are millions of 12-15 year olds who put tons of money in this game.

Let me guess, you're 16 and totally grown up and past all that baby shit all those 15 year olds like. Am I right?

Fact if, the game is catering to several demographics at the same time. I'm pretty sure most 15 year olds don't grasp the concepts of genocide, race hate and enslavement.

Not to mention top-end content continues to get harder. If you'd even tried it you'd probably realise that yourself. Its very easy to complain that content is too easy and dumbed down when you only ever stick to the easy and dumbed down content. Its like complaining the food is too salty when you keep ordering salty food.

[Xilurm]

I love it how people put so much emphasis on "omg its the World of WARcraft" yes it IS the world of warcraft but, the whole franchise isnt about the conflict between alliance and horde.

Its about fighting the Burning Legion !

Warcraft I:
The humans of Stormwind fail to defend their city against the Old Horde which is a TOOL of the Burning Legion (Note there was no Alliance at that point)

Warcraft II:
The humans manage to push back the Old Horde through the portal they came from into Draenor, still they are fighting the Old Horde tools of the BURNING LEGION.

Warcraft III:
Thrall founds the new Horde under the warning of Medivh who is trying to redeem himself after being possessed by Sargeras, Lord of the Burning Legion.
The fight against the Scourge begins which, once again, is a TOOL of the Burning Legion.
Archimonde manages to enter Azeroth tries to destroy Nordrassil the races band together to prevent the destruction of our home.

See a pattern there ?

The whole game is about the conflict with the Burning Legion not about the faction war. And if we are ever going to free ourselves from the Harrassement of the Burning Legion we have to band together, for the good of all of Azeroth.

The point of this expansion is to teach us all that this mindless conflict needs to come to an end so we can stand strong and vanquish the real threat here.
The Pandaren and their nature fit in PERFECTLY into world of warcraft. They are here to remind us of just that thing, thats what the cinematic was about and thats what this whole expansion is about.....

The Calm before the STORM.

This. The Burning Legion are the main antagonists to this franchise. Althought the Old Gods are catching up.

BTW OP, you are a disgrace to every Final Fantasy VIII fan out there. I cannot believe that you are a fan of that game yet you can't enjoy a good story. I'm ashamed.

[TheWindWalker]

list of most asked for things in wow since vanilla, pandaren, demon hunters, death knights, goblins, ogres, naga, high elves/blood elves.

Still waiting on those Naga. GC said something about "how would they wear boots?" but the Draenei (and now Worgen) never seemed too concerned about that.

[quras]

SNIP...

Well then "some players" are going to have to face the fact that Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne happened and it had pandas.

True and yet some players are going to have to face the fact that many who played WC3 missed them entirely only going back to see them when someone else told them or read about it. Why? Cause there were more of an Easter egg then anything else.

No, an April fools joke would be cows.

Agree and yet they were already released similar to pandas and not picked as a fools joke.

list of most asked for things in wow since vanilla, pandaren, demon hunters, death knights, goblins, ogres, naga, high elves/blood elves.

While I agree with you that all those have been mentioned, none any more or less then the other and especially not pandas being well above the rest.

If you did find something that says otherwise please let me know as google doesn't see to be producing much results for me.

[Immitis]

True and yet some players are going to have to face the fact that many who played WC3 missed them entirely only going back to see them when someone else told them or read about it. Why? Cause there were more of an Easter egg then anything else.



Agree and yet they were already released similar to pandas and not picked as a fools joke.



While I agree with you that all those have been mentioned, none any more or less then the other and especially not pandas being well above the rest.

If you did find something that says otherwise please let me know as google doesn't see to be producing much results for me.

on pretty much every poll on "what race do you want added" or "whats the next expansion" pandaren and demon hunters have been the most asked i COULD go back and dig through hundreds and hundreds of threads in the last 8 years but i doubt even if i found thousands upon thousands of posts, videos, interviews, ect ect where people ask "when are pandaren coming" you would still think im lying.

point is the reason they were added to warcraft 3 is because people wanted them, the reason there being added to wow is because every year people have wanted them.

blizzard even went so far as to call chen stormstout the boba fett of the warcraft universe in terms of how popular he is

[painweaver]

But how are they an April fools joke if they preceded said April fools joke by years?

because they were FIRST an April fool's joke. then they put them wc3.

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i think the transition from joke to actually being a playable race in wow shows how different the people making the games at blizz are now. One group obviously tried to troll people with the idea of pandaren in the wow universe, and the other thought it would be a good idea to troll people and make pandaren playable in wow.

[Xilurm]

blizzard even went so far as to call chen stormstout the boba fett of the warcraft universe in terms of how popular he is

Oh no. Now some wise guy is going to come here and say "Chen has nothing on Boba Fett and WoW can't be compared to Star Wars HURR DURR HERP DERP"

[mikencarly]

News flash if blizzard makes up new lore which they did and its there game then yes it belongs in wow because its there game and lore it's as simple as that.

[Immitis]

because they were FIRST an April fool's joke. then they put them wc3.

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i think the transition from joke to actually being a playable race in wow shows how different the people making the games at blizz are now. One group obviously tried to troll people with the idea of pandaren in the wow universe, and the other thought it would be a good idea to troll people and make pandaren playable in wow.

pandaren were samwise idea, samwise is still there. chris metzen is still there and hes head of story development.

i wish people would actually take 10 minutes to research something before going "ER MEH GERD APRIL FOOLS" the april fools was an inside jab at samwise who would make little panda men samurai for his daughter and friends and coworkers during development of warcraft three they made an inside joke on the games site saying "these are one of the new races for warcraft 3" everyone thought they were cool so they said "wow we had no plans to actually add these guys but lets go ahead and do it" so chris had samwise and the rest of the art team draw up a bunch of concept art and whatnot for warcraft 3.

they have never been a joke ingame AT ALL lighthearted and occasionally silly? yes but NOT a joke thats like saying tauren are a joke because they started from the cow level in diablo

[Eiserne Drossel]

I roleplay a lot, and to be honest, seeing Pandaren running around looks really, really weird, they honestly does not fit at all, especially the females. I have no problems with their lore, and the island if it was kept a mystery, but as a playable race, I don't find them fitting.

[Immitis]

I roleplay a lot, and to be honest, seeing Pandaren running around looks really, really weird, they honestly does not fit at all, especially the females. I have no problems with their lore, and the island if it was kept a mystery, but as a playable race, I don't find them fitting.

well for roleplay the only people who should really know what pandaren are is the dwarves and any horde who were at the founding of orgrimar since chen was friends with brann bronzebeard and the thunderbrews and rexxar and helped build orgrimmar. the night elves while being long lived lost contact with the pandaren a long time ago when they started abusing magic.

for most races the pandaren are the same as something like bigfoot something people talk about but most people dont believe actually existed. until now

[Sesto]

I very much agree.

I don't really understand why they went with pandas instead. Pandaren should've been more like Dalaran... Neutral. Hozen for the Horde would be awesome, they completely fit the picture for the Horde. And Jinyu completely fit between the Draenei and Night Elves.

If the pandas in-game hadn't looked as "cute" as they do now, they might even have fit with the Horde as well.

I brought this up once, but someone replied to me why it would have been a bad idea. Would Blizzard ever add an unknown race as a new playable race? Think about it. We have never seen Jinyu or Hozen until this expansion, so if Blizzard announced MoP and said "Here are some monkey and fish people to play as!" people would have went ballistic.

[quras]

on pretty much every poll on "what race do you want added" or "whats the next expansion" pandaren and demon hunters have been the most asked i COULD go back and dig through hundreds and hundreds of threads in the last 8 years but i doubt even if i found thousands upon thousands of posts, videos, interviews, ect ect where people ask "when are pandaren coming" you would still think im lying.

point is the reason they were added to warcraft 3 is because people wanted them, the reason there being added to wow is because every year people have wanted them.

blizzard even went so far as to call chen stormstout the boba fett of the warcraft universe in terms of how popular he is

I thought maybe you already had the info cause actually I'm doing the seach myself.

It's not there as some major requested race beyond all the others mention and I bet demon hunters were actually requested more.

More like the Ronald Mcdonald of warcraft not boba fett.

But the point being while if you like them thats great but if you cannot see where all teh drama is coming from by a great many poeple who dislike pandas then you're simply trying to ignore it.

You don't have to like or accept it but it's there. The Easter egg use of them, the april fools joke on them that could have used any race but that one was picked and then you have the timing of there release with other things more predominate in social media and the list goes on.

It's no wonder people look at warcraft as not the game that got them hooked so long ago. It's not saying the game is terrible but it's not as good as the game that got them hooked and I really don't think pandas are helping.

[Immitis]

I brought this up once, but someone replied to me why it would have been a bad idea. Would Blizzard ever add an unknown race as a new playable race? Think about it. We have never seen Jinyu or Hozen until this expansion, so if Blizzard announced MoP and said "Here are some monkey and fish people to play as!" people would have went ballistic.

yeah blizzard like to kind of tease races to gauge how much people like them. they started work on a different expansion before mists and from all the demon hunter stuff in cataclysm im willing to bet whatever it was wouldve had demon hunters. same with the worgen back in wrath and the arrakoa were once being contemplated for a race for the alliance