Pandaren are a nice touch, but not made for Warcraft

[Nindoriel]

That's just typical blizzard propaganda, chen had practically no personality before this expansion besides being a panda who can do kung fu, you hardly ever saw anyone talk about him before this expansion.

No. There's really a lot of people that have always loved Chen, me including. A lot of people talked about him, and a lot of people wanted Pandaren and Brewmasters in the game. They were among the most popular ideas for new races and classes, and they were often brought up.
As for his "personality" he didn't have a lot of screentime, but in that short time he showed a lot of character, mostly through his lines.
I have more problems to characterize Boba Fett, to be honest.

[Combatbulter]

If Blizzard had wanted to make agame apart, or integrate them into Titan, I would have had no problem with the existence of pandaren and their lore.

But their endless stream of peaceful, happy drinking Starfleet explorers atmosphere is totally out of Warcraft context.

I come back every expansion to hate something and to WAR, not to solve problems about evil spirits and find reasons about what is worth fighting for.

I figh for the hate I feel for my ravaged lands and my murdered heroes, I fight for the lust of revenge and the desire to shed the blood of my enemies until the rivers run red with it, I fight in the name of the Light and with the forces of the elements to resolve unquenchable blood feuds with this alliance that is the Horde.

I fight for Jaina Proudmoore and Theramore, I fight for Vrynn and his past suffering, I fight for Lothar, for Alleria, for Dannath, for Uther.

Pandaren, you're a wonderful and fresh race, but this conflict is beyond you, and you simply do not share the fury of our races nor will you ever understand it.

You will never understand the joy I feel when I slash a blood elf in two or cleave an orc's head off his shoulders. That is the real war.

Go back to your Mists and take care of your evil spirits problems, the rest of the world is at war with its own past, and will be forevermore.

Garrosh has seen to that.

You are entitled to your opinion, but it is just that your opinion and in the grand scheme of things it is absolutely meaningless.

[ragnarokvr1]

No. There's really a lot of people that have always loved Chen, me including. A lot of people talked about him, and a lot of people wanted Pandaren and Brewmasters in the game. They were among the most popular ideas for new races and classes, and they were often brought up.

Who?

WHO?

WHO?

[Liara]

I never said pandaren were a joke, not in this thread anyway, I mainly pointed out how they are too far out there to appreciate the blood feud that exists between the alliance and the horde. How unrelated they are to our heroes and our specific hardships.

Where were they during the First War?

Where were they during the Second War?

Where were they during the 2nd invasion of the Legion?

Where were they during the re-opening of the Dark Portal?

Where were they during Icecrown, when Azeroth's men and women held back Arthas' hand? Where would they be if we hadn't?

Nowhere. They'd all be dead and I'm surprised Deathwing didn't obliterate their continent to hell, after all he was the Earthwarder, he should have been aware of their existence. But I digress.

They're like children that step unto a battlefield to fight over who broke who's toy.

This is not their war.

This is not their universe.

It's their universe as much as it is yours. That's a seriously disturbing end to that line of thought.

[Immitis]

I never said pandaren were a joke, not in this thread anyway, I mainly pointed out how they are too far out there to appreciate the blood feud that exists between the alliance and the horde. How unrelated they are to our heroes and our specific hardships.

Where were they during the First War?

Where were they during the Second War?

Where were they during the 2nd invasion of the Legion?

Where were they during the re-opening of the Dark Portal?

Where were they during Icecrown, when Azeroth's men and women held back Arthas' hand? Where would they be if we hadn't?

Nowhere. They'd all be dead and I'm surprised Deathwing didn't obliterate their continent to hell, after all he was the Earthwarder, he should have been aware of their existence. But I digress.

They're like children that step unto a battlefield to fight over who broke who's toy.

This is not their war.

This is not their universe.

if you go through and quest and learn about the wandering isle you will find out that pretty much all pandaren thought the world was destroyed during the sundering and that the legion had killed everyone. they believed that beyond the mists was a dead world only a small group of explorers ever left pandaria in the last 10,000 years

[Nindoriel]

I never said pandaren were a joke, not in this thread anyway, I mainly pointed out how they are too far out there to appreciate the blood feud that exists between the alliance and the horde. How unrelated they are to our heroes and our specific hardships.

Where were they during the First War?

Where were they during the Second War?

Where were they during the 2nd invasion of the Legion?

Where were they during the re-opening of the Dark Portal?

Where were they during Icecrown, when Azeroth's men and women held back Arthas' hand? Where would they be if we hadn't?

Nowhere. They'd all be dead and I'm surprised Deathwing didn't obliterate their continent to hell, after all he was the Earthwarder, he should have been aware of their existence. But I digress.

They're like children that step unto a battlefield to fight over who broke who's toy.

This is not their war.

This is not their universe.

Most of them were on Pandaria and the Wandering Isle. Either you have not informed yourself or you're asking rhetorical useless questions.
The short answer is, they weren't there, because a large part of who they are and what they do was developed just recently.
Where were the Vrykul during the second war?
Where were the Draenei during the first war?

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Who?

WHO?

WHO?

Look, you can act like a little child, but that doesn't change anything.

[Xilurm]

I never said pandaren were a joke, not in this thread anyway, I mainly pointed out how they are too far out there to appreciate the blood feud that exists between the alliance and the horde. How unrelated they are to our heroes and our specific hardships.

Where were they during the First War?

Where were they during the Second War?

Where were they during the 2nd invasion of the Legion?

Where were they during the re-opening of the Dark Portal?

Where were they during Icecrown, when Azeroth's men and women held back Arthas' hand? Where would they be if we hadn't?

Nowhere. They'd all be dead and I'm surprised Deathwing didn't obliterate their continent to hell, after all he was the Earthwarder, he should have been aware of their existence. But I digress.

They're like children that step unto a battlefield to fight over who broke who's toy.

This is not their war.

This is not their universe.

Where were the Night Elves and the Tauren during the First War?

Where were the Night Elves and the Tauren During the Second War?

Where were the Humans and Orcs during the 1st invasion of the Legion?

Orcs and Humans would not have a world now.

Where were the Pandaren? They were being slaves to the Mogu that's were they were.

Stop trying to create the story. This isn't about the Alliance and the Horde. This isn't their war because this war is meaningless compared to the true war against the Burning Legion.

Alliance and Horde will be thankfull to the Pandaren because it is the Pandaren that will open their eyes and clear their vision.

[Zaelsino]

I think they fit fine into WoW... in the same way the Tuskarr fit. Pandaren have absolutely no business dicking around in the Alliance/Horde with their culture, general outlook and attitude imo, especially with a brimming war going on.

Can't help but feel they'd have made a better NPC faction.

[AbalDarkwind]

Where were they during the First War?

Where were they during the Second War?

Where were the Night Elves, Tauren, and Draenei during these events?

Where were they during the 2nd invasion of the Legion?

Where were they during the re-opening of the Dark Portal?

Where were they during Icecrown, when Azeroth's men and women held back Arthas' hand? Where would they be if we hadn't?

These were times of Alliance and Horde cooperation.

Nowhere. They'd all be dead and I'm surprised Deathwing didn't obliterate their continent to hell, after all he was the Earthwarder, he should have been aware of their existence. But I digress.

By this logic, why didn't Deathwing obliterate the Eastern Kingdoms or Kalimdor?

To counter these, where were the members of the Alliance and Horde during the Pandaren war with the Mogu and Zandalari? They were in isolation, much like the Far East was in isolation from Europe during the Classical and Middle Ages.

[Dazu]

Just because pandaren were placed in the original as a easter egg originally, doesnt mean they cant exist at all. People got interested and therefor lore was created to further them as a part of this fantasy world. Im pretty sure there is lots of things that are in WoW that never existed or were mentioned in WC 1-3 or books prior to first coming up in WoW.

[Rorcanna]

Learn to not be so narrow-minded.

[Nindoriel]

I think they fit fine into WoW... in the same way the Tuskarr fit. Pandaren have absolutely no business dicking around in the Alliance/Horde with their culture, general outlook and attitude imo, especially with a brimming war going on.

Can't help but feel they'd have made a better NPC faction.

You don't understand the wanderlust of the Pandaren from the Wandering Isle then. They are very different from the ones on Pandaria.

[Xilurm]

Where were the Night Elves, Tauren, and Draenei during these events?



These were times of Alliance and Horde cooperation.



By this logic, why didn't Deathwing obliterate the Eastern Kingdoms or Kalimdor?

To counter these, where were the members of the Alliance and Horde during the Pandaren war with the Mogu and Zandalari? They were in isolation, much like the Far East was in isolation from Europe during the Classical and Middle Ages.

He obviously doesn't understand that every race has a role to play.

If the Night Elves were defeated during the first invasion = Burning Legion wins.

If the Horde defeated the Humans during the First War = Burning Legion wins.

If the Pandaren do not show that Alliance and Horde need to have peace between each other = Burning Legion Wins.

[ragnarokvr1]

Like I said, I think Pandaren are a wonderful race, but I haven't played Warcraft for the past 16 years to culminate my journey alongside its heroes with a huge kum-ba-ya sing-a-long around a campfire while I "discover myself" and "why I fight".

I am a member of the Alliance and I have VENGEANCE to exact upon my enemies, be them demons or greenskins. Thrall tried to make peace, tough luck bro, it didn't work out. Now that Garrosh did what he did there's no going back. He's changed things, and Jaina will rain an unholy storm of ass-kicking upon the Horde for what they did to Theramore.

An entire city slaughtered and I'm supposed to care about pandaren mystical evil force problems?

[AbalDarkwind]

Like I said, I think Pandaren are a wonderful race, but I haven't played Warcraft for the past 16 years to culminate my journey alongside its heroes with a huge kum-ba-ya sing-a-long around a campfire while I "discover myself" and "why I fight".

I've been here 16 years, too, and yet, I disagree. I think learning "Why we fight" is an excellent lesson to learn considering the Burning Legion are getting ready for Round 4, according to Wrathion.

I am a member of the Alliance and I have VENGEANCE to exact upon my enemies, be them demons or greenskins. Thrall tried to make peace, tough luck bro, it didn't work out. Now that Garrosh did what he did there's no going back. He's changed things, and Jaina will rain an unholy storm of ass-kicking upon the Horde for what they did to Theramore.

Without the allegiance of the Horde, you will fail in your future wars against the Legion and the Old Gods. Your hatred of the Horde has blinded you to the bigger picture. This was the entire theme of Warcraft III, and it seems, people like you need to be reminded of that lesson. Xilurm seems to understand this, I seem to understand this, quite a few people in this thread seem to understand this. Why don't you understand this?

[Xilurm]

Like I said, I think Pandaren are a wonderful race, but I haven't played Warcraft for the past 16 years to culminate my journey alongside its heroes with a huge kum-ba-ya sing-a-long around a campfire while I "discover myself" and "why I fight".

I am a member of the Alliance and I have VENGEANCE to exact upon my enemies, be them demons or greenskins. Thrall tried to make peace, tough luck bro, it didn't work out. Now that Garrosh did what he did there's no going back. He's changed things, and Jaina will rain an unholy storm of ass-kicking upon the Horde for what they did to Theramore.

An entire city slaughtered and I'm supposed to care about pandaren mystical evil force problems?

Go with the rest of the Alliance and the Horde then. I'll fight on the front lines against the Old Gods and the Burning Legion. Too bad we will all fail cause of people like You, Jaina and Garrosh.

[Sindrasa]

Honestly im suprised at how well they fit in the lore, their lore is very well written, at first i was very skeptical about the race but they've grown on me now.

[Attsey]

You are entitled to your opinion, but it is just that your opinion and in the grand scheme of things it is absolutely meaningless.

Then why did you bother to post?

[Sindrasa]

Jaina will rain an unholy storm of ass-kicking upon the Horde for what they did to Theramore.

[Spoilers!] Jaina still wants peace, she just can't see peace happening with garrosh as leader of the horde, she was origananlly going to destroy org but kalecgos stopped her from doing that now she is alot calmer, but still commited to removing garrosh from power rarther than mass-genoicde.

[ragnarokvr1]

Without the allegiance of the Horde, you will fail in your future wars against the Legion and the Old Gods. Your hatred of the Horde has blinded you to the bigger picture. This was the entire theme of Warcraft III, and it seems, people like you need to be reminded of that lesson. Xilurm seems to understand this, I seem to understand this, quite a few people in this thread seem to understand this. Why don't you understand this?

Well the perhaps Medivh was WRONG, and the world, this world, still needs Guardians, and always will. Perhaps it is time for the council of Tirisfal to be re-created and perhaps it was a wrong move for the Aspects to give away their immortality.

Arthas was not defeated by Azeroth's heroes, it was defeated by the Ashbeinger, a Naaru within a blade. Azeroth's heroes were on the verge of becoming the Lich King's most powerful lieutenants.

Deathwing was not defeated by Azeroth's heroes, it was defeated by the ultimate powers of the Aspects.

Yogg'Saron was defeated with the help of his four Guardians, invested with titan powers.

Perhaps all this happy happy tree shit about the future resting in mortal hands is just happy happy tree shit.

Archimonde was defeated by the Night Elves also sacrificing their immortality.

So far, humanity 0, otherwordly powers 4.


....and leave the pandarens, to their pandaren'ing: