Pandaren are a nice touch, but not made for Warcraft

[arceuid]

Where else is lore supposed to come from if not from Blizzard? Should they create expansions from fanfics? They may tread on butthurt lorejunkies here and there and everywhere, but that hasn't ever stopped them.

[Nerraw]

Blizzard makes the games, ergo Blizzard makes the lore. If it's in the game, it's canon. Deal with it.

Or not. Just don't give yourself an ulcer over some pixels you're not satisfied with.

[Sparkbark]

If you're trying to say the ONE Pandaren in Frozen Throne is an arguable fact then you need to brush up on your lore.

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You sir, have made my day xD

Yes, yes it is.

You do not decide what is 'arguable' in terms of game lore - Blizzard obviously decided that the Pandaren were a strong enough lore point to carry an expansion

There are multiple instances of Pandaren in the game world before MoP, you are being willfully ignorant to try and support your ridiculous argument

[Immitis]

You do realize this whole expansion was pulled out of Blizzards ass right? There is no lore supporting any of this except the one Pandaren in WC3.... You do realize this?

actually they were expanded upon in things like the rpg books

[willtron]

Don't get me wrong i love MoP, but its very odd, it's almost like i'm playing a game similar to WoW, and not WoW itself. the end of Townlong Steppes and the whole of Dread Wastes - really did not feel like WoW to me, I have no idea why. I enjoyed the questing but it all seemed very... missing a certain something.

And just because Pandaren were in WC3, does not make them fit in anymore to MoP, I agree with the OP.

Then again, I've much prefer the Burning Legion story. Gief moar demons.

[Sparkbark]

Don't get me wrong i love MoP, but its very odd, it's almost like i'm playing a game similar to WoW, and not WoW itself. the end of Townlong Steppes and the whole of Dread Wastes - really did not feel like WoW to me, I have no idea why. I enjoyed the questing but it all seemed very... missing a certain something.

And just because Pandaren were in WC3, does not make them fit in anymore to MoP, I agree with the OP.

'Mists of Pandaria'

[SmokeBlader]

actually they were expanded upon in things like the rpg books

RPG books are not canon anymore...

[Combatbulter]

actually they were expanded upon in things like the rpg books

The rpg books are non canon, the pandaren may have had only one representative, but that is still one more than the entirety of the uncorrupted Draenei.

[Bryntrollian]

Soooooooo do you ever leave the house to get some sunlight?

Hes allergic to sunlight...

[sam86]

At a certain point the only lore behind orcs was that they were brutish beasts, came from a different world and where there to conquer Azeroth by killing off the original inhabitants. You can always expand on those ideas later.

That was for warcraft1 only and back then most games didn't even have that much lore (I know that sound too few by today's standards)

[Immitis]

RPG books are not canon anymore...

so? alot of things started in the rpg books and are no longer canon but are now canon and ingame.

just because the rpg books arent canon now doesnt mean they werent written and some of that didnt carry over into mists

[Flaks]

You fight because you are a psychotic racist (in game)? You aren´t looking at why the pandarans are peaceful if this is all you base your reasons on.

They're peaceful because, outside of Chen, they've had absolutely no part or relevance in any part of Warcraft lore whatsoever.

We just went from:
Orcs vs. Humans --> reason why orcs were enraged (burning legion) --> orcs settling down --> burning legion creating scourge --> invasion by burning legion --> rise of the scourge --> fighting the very essence of azeroth (old gods though I admit even this was a bit of a stretch)

All the stories up til now have fallen in these categories: orcs vs. humans, old gods, scourge, burning legion. None of this had the slightest mention of a random ass island that, up until now, has had no connection at all to the above. Unless the lifting of the mists provides us with another well of eternity I'm not going to see any relevance to this expansion to the greater part of warcraft lore.

Ok so there IS Y'sharrj to make a connection. It's just that Blizzard seems to be underplaying it extremely.

[Nindoriel]

That was for warcraft1 only and back then most games didn't even have that much lore (I know that sound too few by today's standards)

Right.
If you want a more recent example take the Worgen.

[Xilurm]

Shitiest excuse = "Lore did not exist" Ya don't say?

Well by your logic Warcraft 1 shouldn't have been created in the first place.

People whine "ohmahgawds anatha sequel?" Then they say " ohmahgawds new lawr?"

[sam86]

Sadly many don't. Even more sad, many think the lore for Pandaria was already written in WC3.

What was exactly introduced? Only 2 units from pandaren, 1 the hero pandaren brewmaster, and 2nd is an actual bear panda that like animals walk on 4 legs, that's all

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Yes, yes it is.

You do not decide what is 'arguable' in terms of game lore - Blizzard obviously decided that the Pandaren were a strong enough lore point to carry an expansion

There are multiple instances of Pandaren in the game world before MoP, you are being willfully ignorant to try and support your ridiculous argument

Actually it shows to me they run out of ideas, back up ideas, and friends ideas, so they thought like "remember when we joked about pandas? Lets introduce them since we are completely dry out of easy to implement ideas"

---------- Post added 2012-10-06 at 09:42 PM ----------

Shitiest excuse = "Lore did not exist" Ya don't say?

Well by your logic Warcraft 1 shouldn't have been created in the first place.

People whine "ohmahgawds anatha sequel?" Then they say " ohmahgawds new lawr?"

The Etherals were new and got too few bash, the problem is not "there is no lawr", it was "it was a JOKE lawr"

[Nindoriel]

Sadly many don't. Even more sad, many think the lore for Pandaria was already written in WC3.

I don't think anyone thinks that. And it's not necessary. What happens in an expansion is mostly written in the development of that particular expansion. They don't plan all of that years in advance. But that goes for MoP as much as for any other expansion.. Do you think what happened in TBC was written when WC3 came out?

[Pancaspe]

Pandaria is the first place in WOW that feels like a living community. People live here. People work here. There is a rich culture to explore. If Pandaria does not fit in Warcraft, then Warcraft needs to adapt because Pandaria is the best place Warcraft has ever created.

---------- Post added 2012-10-06 at 01:10 PM ----------

I don't think anyone thinks that. And it's not necessary. What happens in an expansion is mostly written in the development of that particular expansion. They don't plan all of that years in advance. But that goes for MoP as much as for any other expansion.. Do you think what happened in TBC was written when WC3 came out?

Are you kidding? They don't plan this years in advance? Panderan were going to be the Allied race in BC till they changed it. You can find images in Ulduar that are quite clearly Sha.

[Skorpionss]

I never said pandaren were a joke, not in this thread anyway, I mainly pointed out how they are too far out there to appreciate the blood feud that exists between the alliance and the horde. How unrelated they are to our heroes and our specific hardships.

Where were they during the First War?

Where were they during the Second War?

Where were they during the 2nd invasion of the Legion?

Where were they during the re-opening of the Dark Portal?

Where were they during Icecrown, when Azeroth's men and women held back Arthas' hand? Where would they be if we hadn't?

Nowhere. They'd all be dead and I'm surprised Deathwing didn't obliterate their continent to hell, after all he was the Earthwarder, he should have been aware of their existence. But I digress.

They're like children that step unto a battlefield to fight over who broke who's toy.

This is not their war.

This is not their universe.

Guess what, it's not your decision to make... and no shit sherlock... they even say it's not their war in game if u even bothered playing(which you obviously haven't) and just wanted to be left alone on their Island... but no, dirtbag Garrosh and Varian want the land for themselves so why not send all ally and horde forces in there to fuck shit up for the peaceful bystanders(in 5.1, first wave were just scouts). It is completely obvious to any1 who read your posts that you have no clue about any of the story that lead to them joining this war... so I won't bother further. It's your decision if you want to understand shit or just remain a hateful ignorant.

[Nindoriel]

Are you kidding? They don't plan this years in advance? Panderan were going to be the Allied race in BC till they changed it. You can find images in Ulduar that are quite clearly Sha.

What I mean is they don't have an exact outline of what'll happen years in advance. Of course the Pandaren existed, but if they would've brought them in TBC, they would have appeared in a different way. As for the Ulduar thing, devs already confirmed those are not Sha.

[nameuser]

People will continue to say that they are a part of the lore, they were in WC3 and so on...

They were originally introduced as an april fools because they are fucking PANDAS. Yes, it's funny for 1 week but in the long run I want the true warcraft. And pandas have no place in it.