Pandaren are a nice touch, but not made for Warcraft

[Akoroth]

Rated 12+ video game with cow men and gnomes with age groups as low as 6 to as high as 70 or more. Yep pandaren seem to fit in pretty well.

[sam86]

its obviously why we just got a new xpac all about pandaria and playable pandarens and more specifically, the monk class.
try to think why on hell blizzard's top executives gave a green light on a product so similar in concept to KFP at time where they are losing subs by the millions?
any company putting out products similar by concept to other existing products allready in the market are trying to commercially Suicide..unless..

it was never a question of who came first with the concept of a martial arts panda fighting bear from the time of WC3 or the time of KFPs...
blizzard just want to ride the popularity wave of both of KFP films and Mulan films and come up with a product that Complementary the genre rather then start a court war with walt disney and all to attrack that same audiance of millions to come and sub to the game. thats the true reason.

and thats also the reason we never saw a single pandaren or pandaria in the game so far even if blizz PR guys was forever saying that the pandarens were originally ment to be the new ali race in the first ever xpac...i think ita a lie, watch criss listing the races he wanted to add...you will not find pandarens there..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kei61shkWhU 07:45 in....

Excellent notes, also I want to add that China market alone (not counting rest of eastern world) is more than all Eu and US market combined...
The question I don't have answer for that, are they MMO gamers? (Korea is legend in SC but that is different type)

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THERE ARE NO GNOMES IN WARCRAFT 3.

They are in warcraft 2 (gnomish submarine) and 3 (gyrocopter, that unit that cost 1 food and can be used as scout, upgraded to aoe spalsh air and still suck, just get a farmer better than it)

The Alliance didn't betray them. They betrayed the Alliance by joining the Horde.

Just check Garithos story

[jlrm365]

pandaran were specifically made for world of warcraft. this entire expansion has been based off a pandaran character that made it's debut in Warcraft 3: Frozen Throne.

Exactly right.

Crazy initial post.

History of pandaren in Warcraft

Pandaren, for the reason(s) above and within the link, couldn't be much more for / of the World of Warcraft.

[farhodk]

i agree with all the options they chose pandas?

[Nindoriel]

The Alliance pretty much kicked them out and imprisoned them because a racist general wouldn't help the elves and the elves found help from the Naga.

It was an unfortunate situation. Garithos should've helped them, and I can see that they were kind of forced to ally with the Naga, but the Alliance didn't kick them out because Garithos was a racist. Garithos was definitely an idiot and a racist, but you can't blame the whole Alliance for that. The reason why Garithos wanted to execute them was exactly because they allied with the Naga. His low opinion of the Blood Elves might have played some part in this - that and the fact that they allied with monsters. It's really ironic in a sense. But the Alliance didn't betray them. What the Blood Elves did was betrayal. They allied with the orcs. The very race that wrecked Azeroth and their own homeland in the first place.

[Celltrex]

If Blizzard had wanted to make agame apart, or integrate them into Titan, I would have had no problem with the existence of pandaren and their lore.

But their endless stream of peaceful, happy drinking Starfleet explorers atmosphere is totally out of Warcraft context.

I come back every expansion to hate something and to WAR, not to solve problems about evil spirits and find reasons about what is worth fighting for.

I figh for the hate I feel for my ravaged lands and my murdered heroes, I fight for the lust of revenge and the desire to shed the blood of my enemies until the rivers run red with it, I fight in the name of the Light and with the forces of the elements to resolve unquenchable blood feuds with this alliance that is the Horde.

I fight for Jaina Proudmoore and Theramore, I fight for Vrynn and his past suffering, I fight for Lothar, for Alleria, for Dannath, for Uther.

Pandaren, you're a wonderful and fresh race, but this conflict is beyond you, and you simply do not share the fury of our races nor will you ever understand it.

You will never understand the joy I feel when I slash a blood elf in two or cleave an orc's head off his shoulders. That is the real war.

Go back to your Mists and take care of your evil spirits problems, the rest of the world is at war with its own past, and will be forevermore.

Garrosh has seen to that.

This game is a fantasy MMO, designed for people over the age of 12. If you want gore, I suggest perhaps Deadspace? Or a modded Skyrim, for that fantasy feeling.

[Nindoriel]

Just check Garithos story

I know his history quite well.

[Chrysia]

It was an unfortunate situation. Garithos should've helped them, and I can see that they were kind of forced to ally with the Naga, but the Alliance didn't kick them out because Garithos was a racist. Garithos was definitely an idiot and a racist, but you can't blame the whole Alliance for that. The reason why Garithos wanted to execute them was exactly because they allied with the Naga. His low opinion of the Blood Elves might have played some part in this - that and the fact that they allied with monsters. It's really ironic in a sense. But the Alliance didn't betray them. What the Blood Elves did was betrayal. They allied with the orcs. The very race that wrecked Azeroth and their own homeland in the first place.

A few things. The Blood Elves would not have allied with the Naga were it not for Garithos' prejudice, so it's an infinite circle jerk of blame here. The Blood Elve's did what was necessary to survive, and Garithos used it as an excuse to turn the Alliance against them.

Second thing, the Orcs had nothing to do with destroying the Blood Elves' land. That would be the Scourge.

[Demetrion]

It was an unfortunate situation. Garithos should've helped them, and I can see that they were kind of forced to ally with the Naga, but the Alliance didn't kick them out because Garithos was a racist. Garithos was definitely an idiot and a racist, but you can't blame the whole Alliance for that. The reason why Garithos wanted to execute them was exactly because they allied with the Naga. His low opinion of the Blood Elves might have played some part in this - that and the fact that they allied with monsters. It's really ironic in a sense. But the Alliance didn't betray them. What the Blood Elves did was betrayal. They allied with the orcs. The very race that wrecked Azeroth and their own homeland in the first place.

Garithos left them to fight against undead wtih "sticks and harsh language". Much of a ally is he.

No, they didn't allied with the orcs. They allied with their former ranger general whose people happens to be allied with the Horde. And from a strategic standpoint, you really think Blood Elves would have any chance of fighting against Forsaken with their population decimated?

Humans failed to support them when they needed it the most, where Forsaken came in the time of need. They only made natural decision.

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Second thing, the Orcs had nothing to do with destroying the Blood Elves' land. That would be the Scourge.

And this. I know I've forgot something in my original reply...

[Zellviren]

Second thing, the Orcs had nothing to do with destroying the Blood Elves' land. That would be the Scourge.

There was also a long, bitter war with the Amani; something the Blood elves seem to have ignored when working with trolls (different tribe, but elves are hardly known for their understanding).

But as for the OP, I'm kind of with him. I wouldn't complain about the Pandaren, and my warrior currently is one because they're a good laugh, but I can see where people are coming from when they ask if Blizzard is trolling them with all this. I've tried, really hard, to take the Pandaren seriously - and I just can't do it.

Honestly?

They're ridiculous.

That statement doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the game, or that the game is now somehow less fun due to their involvement (it's not), it's just the way I feel about the race as a whole.

[Nindoriel]

A few things. The Blood Elves would not have allied with the Naga were it not for Garithos' prejudice, so it's an infinite circle jerk of blame here. The Blood Elve's did what was necessary to survive, and Garithos used it as an excuse to turn the Alliance against them.

Second thing, the Orcs had nothing to do with destroying the Blood Elves' land. That would be the Scourge.

I can see that siding with the Naga, at least temporarily, was necessary, but you can't deny that Kael'Thas led the Blood Elves to ruin.
After what happened with Garithos they should've seeked council with other Alliance members, instead of following Illidan and his Naga to Outland.

And the orcs wrecked Silvermoon in Warcraft 2.

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Garithos left them to fight against undead wtih "sticks and harsh language". Much of a ally is he.

No, they didn't allied with the orcs. They allied with their former ranger general whose people happens to be allied with the Horde. And from a strategic standpoint, you really think Blood Elves would have any chance of fighting against Forsaken with their population decimated?

Humans failed to support them when they needed it the most, where Forsaken came in the time of need. They only made natural decision.

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And this. I know I've forgot something in my original reply...

Yes Garithos. ONE member of the Alliance. You don't honestly expect every other Alliance general would've done the same.
And yes they did ally with the orcs. The orcs are the head of the Horde.

[sam86]

It was an unfortunate situation. Garithos should've helped them, and I can see that they were kind of forced to ally with the Naga, but the Alliance didn't kick them out because Garithos was a racist. Garithos was definitely an idiot and a racist, but you can't blame the whole Alliance for that. The reason why Garithos wanted to execute them was exactly because they allied with the Naga. His low opinion of the Blood Elves might have played some part in this - that and the fact that they allied with monsters. It's really ironic in a sense. But the Alliance didn't betray them. What the Blood Elves did was betrayal. They allied with the orcs. The very race that wrecked Azeroth and their own homeland in the first place.

If not for Naga help... there would be no more high (or blood) elves race at all in warcraft world, and no one in alliance tried to stop that
I can easily call that betrayel
And horde were enslaved by demons back then, blame the master who call the strings not the puppet

[Nindoriel]

If not for Naga help... there would be no more high (or blood) elves race at all in warcraft world, and no one in alliance tried to stop that

The Naga didn't help them out of the kindness of their hearts.

I can easily call that betrayel

Yes, Garithos betrayed them. But not the whole Alliance. Instead of siding with the Horde in TBC they had all the chances to try and reconcile with the Alliance. Varian would not have turned them away.

And horde were enslaved by demons back then, blame the master who call the strings not the puppet

I hate that shitty excuse.
They were still the ones who embraced the demon blood.
And bloodlust is in their genes.

[Demetrion]

The Naga didn't help them out of the kindness of their hearts.

That still doesn't change the fact that they saved their race.

Yes, Garithos betrayed them. But not the whole Alliance. Instead of siding with the Horde in TBC they had all the chances to try and reconcile with the Alliance. Varian would not have turned them away.

I'm telling you again, they've allied with the horde because their former Ranger General was there, giving them support when they needed it the most. They could have asked Alliance for help, they didn't have chance to. Lordaeron was destroyed, their kingdom was surrounded by Plaguelands and population decimated by Arthas. They needed an ally at that particular moment not later.

Beside, remaining Alliance forces (Dwarves of Ironforge and kingdom of Stormwind) knew what happened to Quel'Thalas, they never bothered to send reinforcement or any other sort of support.

I hate that shitty excuse.
They were still the ones who embraced the demon blood.
And bloodlust is in their genes.

As much as you hate it it's still a fact.

[Nindoriel]

That still doesn't change the fact that they saved their race.

In order to use them for their plans.
You can see where it lead them.

I'm telling you again, they've allied with the horde because their former Ranger General was there, giving them support when they needed it the most. They could have asked Alliance for help, they didn't have chance to. Lordaeron was destroyed, their kingdom was surrounded by Plaguelands and population decimated by Arthas. They needed an ally at that particular moment not later.

Beside, remaining Alliance forces (Dwarves of Ironforge and kingdom of Stormwind) knew what happened to Quel'Thalas, they never bothered to send reinforcement or any other sort of support.

What they could travel to Outland but not to Stormwind? It's a city full of mages.

As much as you hate it it's still a fact.

They're not taking responsibilty for what they did. Grom showed that you can still free yourself, so it's not like they didn't have a choice.
It's in their nature. Look at Garrosh. He was never corrupted by demons. Orcs love killing. It's in their blood.

[Kangodo]

They're not taking responsibilty for what they did. Grom showed that you can still free yourself, so it's not like they didn't have a choice.
It's in their nature. Look at Garrosh. He was never corrupted by demons. Orcs love killing. It's in their blood.

Draenor was a peaceful world dominated by vast plains and lush swamps. Originally, there were many intelligent races, the most powerful of which were the orcs. The orcs lived in a quiet, shamanistic society, until power-hungry leaders, led and manipulated by Gul'dan, made a blood pact with Mannoroth, a general of the Burning Legion, turning the orcs into bloodthirsty barbarian conquerors.

No, killing is not in their blood.

[Nindoriel]

Draenor was a peaceful world dominated by vast plains and lush swamps. Originally, there were many intelligent races, the most powerful of which were the orcs. The orcs lived in a quiet, shamanistic society, until power-hungry leaders, led and manipulated by Gul'dan, made a blood pact with Mannoroth, a general of the Burning Legion, turning the orcs into bloodthirsty barbarian conquerors.

No, killing is not in their blood.

Have you taken a look at the Warsong Clan or the Shattered Hand?
Orcs were killing each other for the pure fun of it long before the demons corrupted them.

[Kangodo]

Have you taken a look at the Warsong Clan or the Shattered Hand?
Orcs were killing each other for the pure fun of it long before the demons corrupted them.

I see no link that talks about those clans BEFORE their corruption.

[Nindoriel]

I see no link that talks about those clans BEFORE their corruption.

It says, I think in rise of the horde, that before the separate clans were assembled into one united horde, they constantly battled each other. Well not all, but some of them. Fuck, the bonechewers were even cannibals.

[Demetrion]

I see no link that talks about those clans BEFORE their corruption.

Indeed. Clans were created after the demons corruption.

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It says, I think in rise of the horde, that before the separate clans were assembled into one united horde, they constantly battled each other. Well not all, but some of them. Fuck, the bonechewers were even cannibals.

Could be true... damn you! Now I have to read it all again!!!