I agree 100%. No one is forcing you to play MoP dude. If you don't want a game with Pandas, then play that PoS Guild Wars 2 and have nothing to do at all.
Thank you zomgname for the signature and avatar!
The pandaren aren't all "there is only peace!" There is farming, kicking back in the town watering vegitables and stuff, but that is a small part. I skipped over most of it while leveling my warrior.
At the heart of all of Pandaria is various wars. Not the least of which is the pandaren rising up against their Mogu overlords, toppeling their stranglehold on the land, and then, pretty much, taking over the lands themselves. They're more willing to live side by side with the other races, but you don't see them tearing down that wall.
And if you want war, play the Dreadwastes. I love the Klaxxi. There are two groups. There's the Empress and those who follow her, who are possessed/influenced by Sha, and want to break through the wall and start taking over pandaria. Then there are the others, that players work with. They want to tear through the wall and take over pandaria... but not yet! They have a very specific cycle to follow, and the Sha have started the fight early, so basically they aren't prepared yet. They are warring within their own kind, and because they're not on the same page, they're not going to be prepared to fight the bigger, common enemy.
Which is a set up for the Alliance-Horde conflict. How many times has the same force threatened both sides? And yet Alliance and Horde can't/won't/struggle to work together to fight it. If they'd just get on the same page, they'd be a stronger force against outside enemies.
TL;DR Pandaren aren't about peace, they're about fighting when you Need to, not just because you Want to. I think it fits in with WoW's overall themes very nicely.
Thank you zomgname for the signature and avatar!
When I first heard about the expansion I was like "omg panda's? that is going to look stupid!" and now I have a pandaren monk as my current main heh. Thought the Tillers would be dumb but it's actually some of the more entertaining dailys you end up doing. MoP has been a lot of fun for me.
The whole Asian theme doesn't bother me as WoW has always themed out a lot of it's content. Not any more out of place then Uldum's egyptian theme or the Romanian style of the Worgen area. At least the Pandaren got a bit more investment into the story than the Worgen or Goblin's did.
I can answer this relatively easy at least for myself anyway.
Cow people were easy enough to get around cause they were close enough to a minotaur that one could accept it.
Wolf people the same as the above.
However, Blue goat people pushed players limits and the story that came along with them but they had so little to do in the expansion it was easy enough to skip them. As a playable race, you didn't really have to do anything at all with them. So that imaginary breaking point line people have was there and this race pushed gamers close to it but limited exposer helped not kill the buzz of the expansion.
Now bring in the walrus people of Lich King and thank God they were only NPC. They were another addition to the game that should have ended up on the development room cutting floor. Another push to that breaking point time for some gamers but since they were NPCs the resulting addition of them was limited but still quite stupid in the overall WOW universe and pushed gamers still closer to that breaking point line.
Now you bring in the pandas.
An entire expansion built around them that is totally different than what was done with the blue goats, then piggy backing off the popularity of a much broader scoped kungfu panda to hit a much broader scope of casual players. The same race we played as an easter years pasted but many probably never seen them till someone else told them about it and they went back to see it in WC3, then the massive April Fools joke about them when any other race could have been used but pandas were chosen instead. Why? Probably cause they were a joke around the office.
All that leads in some sense to why people dislike the race and expansion.
Over time some gamers were pushed closer and closer to that "last straw" moment. Pandas were it, if not pokemon or farmville or any other number of features. At some point, they decided there not going to support or fund MoP for whatever reason pushed them there. Take your pick or come up with something on your own but pandas was the last straw for a good many people.
It's great people like MoP and you don't have to agree with me but if you really can't understand how some don't or how some have put up with certain WOW additions and this one being the last straw in a large stack of straw, then it's not the gamers that dislike MOP that need to broaden there minds for understanding.
I can get how you might like MoP but can you honestly say you can't understand how some gamers don't ?
Last edited by quras; 2012-10-08 at 06:50 PM.
I understand how people don't want pandaren in wow.
I understand how people want pandaren in wow.
I understand how a product cannot satisfy both groups.
By constantly complaining about it and whining, you're being no better than what you hate.
Secondly, who cares? Don't play then. Stop complaining about it constantly and just subject MMO-Champion plus everything about the game from your life.
10 million+ of us love the game. You just need to deal with that my friend.
It could of Progrossed with the Hozen, Maturing, learning to adapt to change, and figuring out how to fit in with new races.
The same with the Jinyi they could learn how to adapt to this new "Allaince" Hell in fugutre patches they could Add a few to stormwind to help with Vashj
If you don't like 'em, just say you don't like 'em. That's fine. Just don't try to legitimize your opinion with baseless non-facts.
Last edited by Urti; 2012-10-08 at 07:13 PM.
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Given the debate about it has been going on so long, it's far from over. I doubt you understand anything from the other sides perspective.
Even if blizzard spends countless hours doing all they can to make pandas an addition to WOW beyond even this expansion, there are enough people that simply won't support it. Beyond the other poor development ideas that made it to the game, this one (pandas) was teh last straw.
Like it or not that's just the way it is. Be it gnomes, taurens, wolfmen, blue goats or whatever.
The Easter egg was placed and the joke made. Hell, I bet they tried to get Jack Black to do a voice over.
When the creators of the race think of them as a joke did you really expect gamers to think any differently?
There are times when you just can't support the development of something even if it is a smaller portion than the whole.
However, that has nothing to do with me posting here since the forums are here for us all to voice our opinions.
Last edited by quras; 2012-10-08 at 07:15 PM.
The amount of time you're putting into debating something that we just don't care about is ridiculous.
We like Pandaria.
We like the Monk class.
We like this Expansion.
There's nothing you can possibly say to convince us otherwise.
You can put down these arguments because it has no use.
You have your opinion.
We have ours.
Neither side is budging.
So just drop it.