"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
Most of them were on Pandaria and the Wandering Isle. Either you have not informed yourself or you're asking rhetorical useless questions.
The short answer is, they weren't there, because a large part of who they are and what they do was developed just recently.
Where were the Vrykul during the second war?
Where were the Draenei during the first war?
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Where were the Night Elves and the Tauren during the First War?
Where were the Night Elves and the Tauren During the Second War?
Where were the Humans and Orcs during the 1st invasion of the Legion?
Orcs and Humans would not have a world now.
Where were the Pandaren? They were being slaves to the Mogu that's were they were.
Stop trying to create the story. This isn't about the Alliance and the Horde. This isn't their war because this war is meaningless compared to the true war against the Burning Legion.
Alliance and Horde will be thankfull to the Pandaren because it is the Pandaren that will open their eyes and clear their vision.
I think they fit fine into WoW... in the same way the Tuskarr fit. Pandaren have absolutely no business dicking around in the Alliance/Horde with their culture, general outlook and attitude imo, especially with a brimming war going on.
Can't help but feel they'd have made a better NPC faction.
These were times of Alliance and Horde cooperation.Where were they during the 2nd invasion of the Legion?
Where were they during the re-opening of the Dark Portal?
Where were they during Icecrown, when Azeroth's men and women held back Arthas' hand? Where would they be if we hadn't?
By this logic, why didn't Deathwing obliterate the Eastern Kingdoms or Kalimdor?Nowhere. They'd all be dead and I'm surprised Deathwing didn't obliterate their continent to hell, after all he was the Earthwarder, he should have been aware of their existence. But I digress.
To counter these, where were the members of the Alliance and Horde during the Pandaren war with the Mogu and Zandalari? They were in isolation, much like the Far East was in isolation from Europe during the Classical and Middle Ages.
Professor of History at Dalaran University
Just because pandaren were placed in the original as a easter egg originally, doesnt mean they cant exist at all. People got interested and therefor lore was created to further them as a part of this fantasy world. Im pretty sure there is lots of things that are in WoW that never existed or were mentioned in WC 1-3 or books prior to first coming up in WoW.
Learn to not be so narrow-minded.
Nostalgia is the enemy of progressRaids have become more accessible, not easier to tackle. This Classic nostalgia cirklejerk has people arguing against top players of the world first race when it comes to the increase to difficulty in raiding...ಠ_ಠ
If the Night Elves were defeated during the first invasion = Burning Legion wins.
If the Horde defeated the Humans during the First War = Burning Legion wins.
If the Pandaren do not show that Alliance and Horde need to have peace between each other = Burning Legion Wins.
Like I said, I think Pandaren are a wonderful race, but I haven't played Warcraft for the past 16 years to culminate my journey alongside its heroes with a huge kum-ba-ya sing-a-long around a campfire while I "discover myself" and "why I fight".
I am a member of the Alliance and I have VENGEANCE to exact upon my enemies, be them demons or greenskins. Thrall tried to make peace, tough luck bro, it didn't work out. Now that Garrosh did what he did there's no going back. He's changed things, and Jaina will rain an unholy storm of ass-kicking upon the Horde for what they did to Theramore.
An entire city slaughtered and I'm supposed to care about pandaren mystical evil force problems?
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Without the allegiance of the Horde, you will fail in your future wars against the Legion and the Old Gods. Your hatred of the Horde has blinded you to the bigger picture. This was the entire theme of Warcraft III, and it seems, people like you need to be reminded of that lesson. Xilurm seems to understand this, I seem to understand this, quite a few people in this thread seem to understand this. Why don't you understand this?I am a member of the Alliance and I have VENGEANCE to exact upon my enemies, be them demons or greenskins. Thrall tried to make peace, tough luck bro, it didn't work out. Now that Garrosh did what he did there's no going back. He's changed things, and Jaina will rain an unholy storm of ass-kicking upon the Horde for what they did to Theramore.
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Professor of History at Dalaran University
Arthas was not defeated by Azeroth's heroes, it was defeated by the Ashbeinger, a Naaru within a blade. Azeroth's heroes were on the verge of becoming the Lich King's most powerful lieutenants.
Deathwing was not defeated by Azeroth's heroes, it was defeated by the ultimate powers of the Aspects.
Yogg'Saron was defeated with the help of his four Guardians, invested with titan powers.
Perhaps all this happy happy tree shit about the future resting in mortal hands is just happy happy tree shit.
Archimonde was defeated by the Night Elves also sacrificing their immortality.
So far, humanity 0, otherwordly powers 4.
....and leave the pandarens, to their pandaren'ing:
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