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    Paladin Solo Thread

    Not talking about the faceroll level 60 stuff that everyone could do at level 70. Can Pally solo stuff like BT, Sunwell, Hyjal, or even ICC or Cata raids? Also for some can you do them as Ret or do you need to be prot for most?

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    you wont be able to solo BT/sunwell due the way mechanics work for some bosses. Hyjal is easily done as ret. ICC some bosses are doable as prot.

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    You could solo BT and Hyjal no doubt. Sunwell I'm not so sure about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerofpope View Post
    Sunwell I'm not so sure about.
    Minus Kalecgos, why not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veliane View Post
    Minus Kalecgos, why not.
    Yea didnt a Lock do it at 85?

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    Some heroic-raid-geared prot paladins soloed the Lich King at level 85.

    I'm only up to an average item level of 456 so far in my tanking set, I can solo the first two five-man instances of MoP with absolutely no risk. I haven't tried the level-88 ones yet; they're probably still too rough. The way Seal of Insight and Hammer of the Righteous are working together right now, pulling three or four groups of trash together is a survivability increase over doing one at a time.

    A decently geared retadin could solo farm OS3D at 85. Even with secondary stat degradation going from 85 to 90, it's probably a joke at 90, at least once you've replaced your leveling gear.

    Ret is generally preferred for dps-race-style encounters as long as they don't present an unmanageable amount of incoming damage. Prot is the way to go for shrugging off staggering amounts of damage, and in those types of encounters, Vengeance will allow you to do obscene amounts of damage (read about tankadins soloing Bloodlord Mandokir).
    Last edited by Kaeth; 2012-10-06 at 02:46 PM.

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    Not sure if I'd call it soloing when mechanics "block" the first encounter of a raid, but hyjal is definitely doable, I could do it at 85 already.

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    I know no one is better than DKs but are Pallys at least better than Hunters or Druids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabrix32 View Post
    I know no one is better than DKs but are Pallys at least better than Hunters or Druids?
    I'm guessing so, except for those encounters that can be cheesed with a pet, which favor the heck out of hunters and warlocks. Right now, solo, if I get smacked for over 200,000 HP from an enemy special, I don't even flinch. I just pop wings and laugh. The Vengeance from that hit will let me return it in spades while quickly bouncing back to full health.

    Solo tankadins feel a lot like blood knights now, with the exception that our damage has a bit longer of a ramp-up time (we have lower base damage but so far seem to scale better than they do with Vengeance).

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    I was talking about Kalecgos. You would have to two-man it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerofpope View Post
    I was talking about Kalecgos. You would have to two-man it.
    Kalecgos is skippable.

    As a Monk I push out ~23-35k hps, and I can solo a lot of dungeons. I can solo Heroic Temple of the Jade, Heroic Brewery- although last boss can be unkillable if it summons adds - and a few other heroic dungeons I haven't attempted, but I'm fairly sure I can solo. I just solo'd Omnotron, and Atramedes. Chimaeron isn't soloable though due to -healing taken mechanic. For the most part enrages are my only issues.

    If you're looking between 15-20k hps these might be out of your range, but all bc and classic should be cake. Most of Wrath should be, as well. I found ulduar doesn't take more than ~10k hps generally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshimiko View Post
    Kalecgos is skippable.

    As a Monk I push out ~23-35k hps, and I can solo a lot of dungeons. I can solo Heroic Temple of the Jade, Heroic Brewery- although last boss can be unkillable if it summons adds - and a few other heroic dungeons I haven't attempted, but I'm fairly sure I can solo. I just solo'd Omnotron, and Atramedes. Chimaeron isn't soloable though due to -healing taken mechanic. For the most part enrages are my only issues.

    If you're looking between 15-20k hps these might be out of your range, but all bc and classic should be cake. Most of Wrath should be, as well. I found ulduar doesn't take more than ~10k hps generally.
    I know this, I'm just saying if you want a full clear you'll need to two-man. It's all solo after.

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    Id say Pally is right behind DK. Hunter doesnt really solo anything, their pet does. See what a Hunter can do without a pet out and it isnt much. Basically Hunters arent soloing anything they are 3 manning stuff because they have a tank, a healer, and a DPS. I remember seeing pally videos of them soloing Wrath Heroics in only Naxx gear. But thats when Raekwon or whatever his name is took over and all you saw since then were DK videos. I still cant find good pally solo vids.

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    I'd completely forgotten you could skip Kalecgos. Wouldn't twins prove to be difficult due to the conflag though? I don't truly remember the fight so i honestly can't say.

    On topic, we're rather capable now. Things changed with WoG being brought back properly, and with Sacred Shield, the "hard hitting" bosses are healable, though that doesn't guarantee success.

    Notable raid bosses i've solo'd as Protection at 85 Post-5.0
    - Marrogar 10
    - 3/5 in Hyjal
    - Sapphiron 10
    - Archavon 10
    - Emalon 10

    That was it. I didn't try many, but i couldn't do XT, and i only managed Marrowgar due to damage being higher for more of the fight.

    Notable raid bosses i've solo'd as Protection at 90 Post-5.0
    - Mimiron 10
    ----- Managed to stay alive for over 4 minutes on Hard mode enrage, killed on normal
    - XT 10
    - Iron Council 10
    - Najentus (with all the trash, see http://www.wowhead.com/npc=22887#comments:id=1730283 for my guide)
    - Supremus
    - Akama (wiped on this first time due to pulling all the trash outside and ironically not having enough AoE damage to kill the channelers)
    - Bloodboil
    - Gorefiend
    - Northrend Beasts 10
    - Jaraxxus 10
    - Plague Wing 10

    I was considering trying Algalon solo as his damage was rather high if i recall (18K every 0.7-1.2 seconds), not to mention the explosion would rip the piss out of your vengeance. I just don't know if i've got the patience to try.

    I also tried Marrowgar 25. Got him to 3M before enrage, and then down to 1M through enrage while cooldowns were up.

    RoS rips the living hell out of you in phase 2 due to spirit strike spam. We can't interrupt that many so it's nigh-impossible to solo, and without killing RoS, we can't solo the rest above that (Council, Mother, and Illidan).

    I tried Hodir, but damage coming in wasn't high enough to beat enrage. Pulling trash might help. I also had 1 try at Freya, but didn't bother to clear trash as restarts of instances were imminent. I wiped, and in the end, i gave up for the night.

    I tried Faction Champions 10. Despite popping everything on the opener, including the top engi bomb, and CC'ing a healer, i couldn't burst through the 400K health in time. Even when i got "close", the Paladin bubbled and that was the end of trying. Eventually, they would go OOM, but that'd take hours, and i'm simply not up for investing that much time into it.

    I'm actually considering trying to solo ICC 10 completely. Gunship might prove to be an issue, though the damage done by Magni should help increase vengeance to great levels. I'm also concerned that Blood Princes damage might be too high and head in too fast to heal through even with the massive vengeance i'd get from them being empowered. Dreamwalker would be a pain, as i'm not sure if she despawns if no one is outside, though the vengeance from having a lot of adds up would help heal her up. I also don't imagine i'd be able to do anything about Sindragosa due to the iceblock.

    If anything, the Lich King would be modest in comparison as the damage throughout is rather high (Enraged Shambling Horrors, Soul Reaper and Necrotic Plague both deal massive damage). This doesn't answer what happens when, or if, i get drawn into frostmourne to fight the add. Would he despawn? Or would he sit there waiting? Or would be end up evading and healing to full while i'm inside?

    I'd say the fourth boss in Hyjal is unsoloable due to insta-kill mechanics and low damage output for us at level 90.

    I also don't know if there's any mechanics preventing an OS3D solo or not. OS alone is nothing, but with 3 drakes, i don't recall if it's possible (mechanics only, not damage).

    I do want to try soloing most of Naxx 10 at some point. Not sure how four horsemen would work entirely. I'd guess it'd be possible as the damage they do from no one in range would probably allow high vengeance. Patchwerk SHOULD be possible. I tried it at 85 after 5.0, failed, though i'd hazard and say that you'd have to try for yourself. Ironically, the trash gargoyle's are the most annoying part due to their healing at 100K HP. It's really down to popping cooldowns for that and spamming the hell out of them.

    I'd also love to try Malygos but i'm not sure the damage is high enough even if you let him stack sparks. Not to mention P3.

    You might be able to solo Morchok due to the very nature of the fight and the "high" damage, but it's still similar health on 10 man to the health of Marrowgar 25. Zon'ozz might be possible due to the frontal cone, but i'd advise against it due to the 47M health he has in 10-man.
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    I've done Toravon 10 if that's matter but what's the point in loosin time to take down some bosses that has already been killed 2 tiers ago by dks?
    Especially now that there's no gold reward anymore..
    (I admit takin down scrubs inside the Vault for a mount has a meaning)...

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    Considering I've solo'd most all of ICC as Ret, I'm trying Cata raids this week as Prot.

    Vids soon to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerofpope View Post
    You could solo BT and Hyjal no doubt. Sunwell I'm not so sure about.
    I dont think he would be able to solo Reliquary, he would be contantly feared.

    And he wouldnt be able to complete Illidan's void phase i think.
    Last edited by Crashdummy; 2012-10-07 at 11:48 AM.

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    If this helps, I was able to solo the last 4 bosses in Sunwell at 85, Brutallus I needed help with. I haven't really tried much soloing at 90, but I think he is probably soloable now - if not, then in the future when we have better gear. What makes him difficult to solo is Meteor Slash - the damage is intended to be split between players, so it hits you quite hard, and it leaves a stacking debuff causing it to do more damage each time until it 1 shots you. You can clear the debuff with Divine Shield though, but even then it's basically a race to down him before you get 1 shot.

    @Crashdummy - Illidan is actually one of the easier bosses to solo in BT, even at 85 you can down him fast enough to avoid getting the adds in his Demon Form phase. Due to mechanics you do need help with Reliquary though. (Or be a pet class with creative use of ping ponging the boss)

    Edit: Just been skimming through the rest of the topic, if this helps here's some info on certain bosses:

    The 4th boss in Hyjal is no problem to solo, as he does not cast Doom on his primary target.

    For Sartharion + 3 drakes, this has been soloed by other classes, but you need to kill him zerg style. The reason for this is otherwise he will become immune to damage at a certain point in the fight. Normally to drop the immunity you go into the Twilight Realm and kill an add there, but if you do this alone, the boss despawns.

    As far as I know, Gunship flat out cannot be soloed. I never bothered testing it myself, but it's something to do with the encounter despawning if you try and enter a turret while solo I think. If you can get help for Gunship most of ICC 10 shouldn't be an issue.

    I was able to solo Malygos 10 and almost all of Naxx (just not Gluth) at 85, so these shouldn't be too much of an issue. Gluth I'm not sure about, probably doable I guess? If DPS is a problem, remember that ret is a lot better at soloing now.

    For the Four Horsemen, start the fight on one of the casters at the back, kill said caster ASAP, then move to the other caster, kill off the dwarf guy, (can't remember his name, sorry) Baron Rivendare, then the final caster.
    Last edited by V24; 2012-10-07 at 01:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshimiko View Post
    Kalecgos is skippable.
    Is he? Wow, never knew that, need to check this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rio View Post
    Considering I've solo'd most all of ICC as Ret, I'm trying Cata raids this week as Prot.

    Vids soon to come.
    If you're able to solo Morchok, please tell me. I'm so interested in soloing this.

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