Personally my big issue so far at 90 is piss poor mana regen. As shadow I can dps nonstop and never lose mana, same on my mage. As disc, whether it's healing or dpsing, mana goes down so fast...
And as previously pointed out, using vent to coordinate popping Spirit Shell isn't really a good solution because no other healer has to do that. People shouldn't have to pay attention to things they otherwise wouldn't to accommodate a spec's deficiencies. That's the same tired argument as "click the Lightwell."
Get 4.5k-5k spi (yeah you need to get spi as disc now, int does not increase your regen anymore), spec mindbender for 5man healing (it helps) and utilize rapture whenever you can for mana return.
Also keep using penance on cd as you can override weakened soul with the proc, which is massively awesome for healing.
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Yes, along with everything else in the game, i don't have a problem so much with priest being able to heal and being hard to kill, my problem is that they dont lose anything on dps when in pvp on the spec they get the best of both worlds, and its OP.
Rapture is absolutely awesome. Use it or suffer. I now have 11k raid buffed spirit so I get 16k mana back. PWS is free for me with rapture and it heals for 80k.
Aside from that. It seems that every single one of my predictions was vindicated. One just needs to look at the rank limits for disc to start rofling at anyone who said disc is fine. Unforutnately blizzard won't buff us for a long time because disc is still needed for CDs.
Wellcome to another season of being a CD whore and thank you very much to all the people who did not support those of us telling blizzard that disc us undertuned.
Last edited by Havoc12; 2012-10-05 at 01:04 AM.
i cant see how disc can be considerd bad when its what im useing and i have no issues what so ever...i think it was also the best choice to lvl through MoP with as well due to always healing myself while attacking
do yourself a favor OP. never go to this site for advice or knowledge about your class. stick to elitist jerks. Disc is in a good spot right now and is basically mandatory for progression raiding.
I'm sorry, but such comments are as empty as "Spell A is better than spell B because I say so." Come with numbers, examples and proof, not empty statements that add nothing to the conversation. You are guilty of the same thing you are putting these forums down for.
hps in 25man (ofc normal):
monk - 76k
druid - 65k
shaman - 62k
pala - 60k
holy priest - 55k
disc - 48k
monk - 89k
shaman - 75k
holy priest - 63k
druid - 61k
pala - 61k
disc - 55k
hps in 10man (normal):
druid - 67k
monk - 66k
shaman - 62k
pala - 61k
holy priest - 55k
disc - 45k
shaman - 65k
pala - 64k
monk - 63k
druid - 63k
holy priest - 57k
disc - 47k
again, i wouldnt go too serious about those numbers but i dont see disc priest in such a good place right now.
i wouldnt also call disc 'mandatory' before i see setups of world firsts hcs.
Ok, I was pretty much forced to switch to Holy.
With Holy, I'm at 40-45k HPS for most fights, with Disc it was like 27-35k, and also much harder/stressful to play (great reward - put more effort into and get worse results).
I thought I could do more as Disc but yeah it's quite broken at the moment. I'm hoping for buffs in the next patch.
get 10k spirit, it will make your pws not cost mana and if you have a spirit trinket or darkglow embroidery you can gain mana like you used to in DS, my spirit gets up to 17k spirit with trinkets and darkglow, thats 10k aditional mana plus the entire cost of pws refunded i have tried to get wol working but it just wont read for some reason, I will post a screen shot of our raid tomorrow
Well, this just feels like the start of cata all over again. Disc utterly crap, while other classes just faceroll their way to glory. GG bliz.
I am not optimistic about buffs next patch. Remember all this is basically aoe fights. There are a couple of fights where disc will be great for hc for sure. Looking at the logs of guilds who have disc in the raid for gajarat, shows a dramatic reduction in voodoo doll damage. You can safely take one less healer if you have disc in the raid. All tank healing fights favour disc strongly and spirit shell is going to be a super strong cooldown for some of the heart of fear fights. Blizzard won't buff discipline, until people stop playing it, because we are now tank healers and CD whores. That is really the gist of it. We can expect some nerfs to other classes though, but that won't fix discipline on its own. Its not just about the healing output, its also the extreme amount of effort required, when other classes and even holy can faceroll.
We had our chance to fix things in the beta, but thanks to a few very vocal individuals we didn't. Instead they complained about archangel and we got a sizeable nerf. People like twystedmind were even arguing that we are balanced in the face of all reason. See where that got us now.
Like I said disc has a very high skill cap, but the reward is less healing than even the easier to play holy spec. Also like I predicted the top of the ladder is dominated by disc who uses atonement. Why the hell did blizzard nerf it? What they achieved was make disc really tough to play. You can see that the majority of disc players suffer massively (again another prediction that came true). The rank limits for disc are ridiculous. I am at 160-180% of the rank limit even in the fights where I had a crappy job. On the stone guard, I was assigned to a dead end job, I also messed up a number of times, wasting spirit shell and losing my evangelism stack repeatedly and still I was in the top100. Makes you wonder how much are people struggling to make disc work.
If every priest out there had supported my petition, we would have been fine.
Last edited by Havoc12; 2012-10-06 at 09:13 PM.
Disc is currently worse healer you want bring to your raid HPS wise the only reason disc have spot in raid because of PS and PW:Barrier that simply it.There is not even point heal since out throughput so low.Mana is real bitch as well and do not tell me u need more Spirit and you will be fine with mana in our current gear I'm running 12k Spirit and 55% Mastery raid buff ,going oom so fast even I use my Mindbender on every CD and watching other healers ,monk esp don't even drop less then 70%,druids(with greenies n unenchanted items) and monks destroying healing meters leaving disc priest some where at the bottom you don't even want to look at because it so embarrassing. I fell bad taking someone raiding spot who can do twice more HPS then me.
Disc at 85 felt so good that players think it would be amazing at 90 too,that why beta testing posts didn't got much support, unfortunately I cant post on US forums and I believe EU priest forums not even look at.
Last edited by Myxa; 2012-10-06 at 02:11 PM.
Though it may well be that not even PS and PW:B can rectify the abysmal HPS from a Disc.