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    Quote Originally Posted by reve View Post
    It isn't new though, is it? I mean it's true but nothing new at all.Personally I have this problem, I've never really had a meal without bread/pasta/rice, only when it's something with potatoes but you can't eat those all the time. An honestly I really can't imagine not having a side of something "solid/dry" to even out the meat, sauce etc.
    I replaced Mash potato with Broccoli or a Cauliflower mash. Does take some getting used to but after a while carbs don't become a "must have" portion of your meal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reqq View Post
    You sure aren't! You've just been told countless times that fruit is really great for you and bought into it, so much so, that you'll preach the virtues of it without knowing anything about it.
    Oooor maybe i like eating fruit and it's a great source of energy for when you're about to exercise

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    Why do you people fuss so much over food? I just eat what I like and never get fat, just stop eating like a pig and you'll be fine.

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    Firstly this really does belong to the Sports and Fitness section in my opinion. However, I do like the topic, I will want to take a look off the book myself so I'll try buy it soon I like adding things to my reading list when I can. I'm a personal trainer, and I love learning new things and as part of my job I learn new things all the time. I'd like to offer my 2 cents.

    Refined carbs are a main source of gaining weight, it really comes down to the Glycemic Index (GI) often in food choices, many refined carbs are high up on the list, the higher on the GI the faster the carbs work their way into your blood in which you will experience bursts of energy and shortly after tiredness, all thanks to our great friend Insulin. Eating food generally found in the lower or medium GI bracket will give you sustained energy and will prevent such crashes. One poster has already commented on hyperglycemia and their experiences with crashes, what this poster most likely is doing is eating plenty of refined carbs. In my opinion it's not best to avoid them completely or even say all carbs are bad, this is totally false. The timing you take them is the crucial factor and the quantity.

    Grimbold21 I'm taking you as an example here with your fruit. Fruit is good for you, you are correct and it is nice to take some daily as long as not too much. Fructose is in a 'different' category of sugars and to be honest too much of anything is bad for you, so it's best to have some but not too many. Banana's are a prime culprit however, and should be kept to a minimum on a weekly basis. Banana's are high GI and they have their place; they should be used during a period of intense physical effort to prolong your energy, they are fine to be used then, however once or twice a week I'd say is best as I've learned. Banana's are NOT to be eaten at any other time because all you're doing is spiking your blood levels, it is much better to take an apple.

    On the subject of Juice, I recommend to avoid juice bought in supermarkets. Juice from packets is mixed with lots of sugars to preserve it, unless you grow your own stuff, be careful. Rice/Pasta is best to be ate as a dinner only and after exercise preferably and watch the portion. In terms of general food, I believe in America most of the food from the major manufacturers is full of corn, because it is cheap, this doesn't do you much good either does it. Read the labels to help you make good choices on what you're eating.

    I can give you a diet that focuses completely on high protein and high fat (strict diet of certain foods) and make you drop several pounds in 2 weeks. But it is not something that should ever last more than a short period. So where does that leave us? Good proteins (meats!), low/med GI foods: green veg, as a prime example and healthy dose of fats. Your ancestors did not have access to many foods you see nowadays, and certainly there were no epidemics of worldwide obesity. Think of it.

    Think of carbs like this: Do not avoid them completely, they are our main source of energy. Be smart, think good choices and earn your right to eat carbs.

    Think on that line, it will do you a lot of service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Why do you people fuss so much over food? I just eat what I like and never get fat, just stop eating like a pig and you'll be fine.
    It does not work that way and never will unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    My only problem is making good sauces without flour. Cream is alright since it emulsifies as it gets hot, but it isn't the same. :|
    I really wouldn't worry about the tablespoon or so of flour it takes to make a roux...

    But, if it really matters to you, whisk some butter in at the end of making the sauce. Or try cornstarch (make a slurry with a little water, and add).

    Or, depending on the kind of sauce, egg yolk, tomato paste, mustard, and even garlic can act as emulsifiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    I really wouldn't worry about the tablespoon or so of flour it takes to make a roux...

    But, if it really matters to you, whisk some butter in at the end of making the sauce. Or try cornstarch (make a slurry with a little water, and add).

    Or, depending on the kind of sauce, egg yolk, tomato paste, mustard, and even garlic can act as emulsifiers.
    Espagnole and Veloute have their flavours ruined by the latter. I might just add roux into my carb allowance. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Espagnole and Veloute have their flavours ruined by the latter. I might just add roux into my carb allowance. :P
    Yeah. That's what I would do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    Yeah. That's what I would do.
    My firm belief; anything can be improved with a good sauce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    My firm belief; anything can be improved with a good sauce.
    If you're cooking meat in a pan, I feel it's a complete waste of the good brown bits on the bottom if you don't make a sauce...

    Or if you end up with drippings from roasting...

    Or...

    Yeah. Sauce. Sauce is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    If you're cooking meat in a pan, I feel it's a complete waste of the good brown bits on the bottom if you don't make a sauce...

    Or if you end up with drippings from roasting...

    Or...

    Yeah. Sauce. Sauce is good.
    Is it bad that I add cream, butter, and pepper to bacon drippings to make a sauce for the bacon? :|

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Is it bad that I add cream, butter, and pepper to bacon drippings to make a sauce for the bacon? :|
    I've... never tried that. I do save the rendered bacon fat to cook other things in, though.

    Something to go do right now!

    (Although, that's not much different from biscuits and gravy, sans biscuits: pan fry some sausage, then make basically a bechemel with the rendered sausage fat).
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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    I've... never tried that. I do save the rendered bacon fat to cook other things in, though.

    Something to go do right now!

    (Although, that's not much different from biscuits and gravy, sans biscuits: pan fry some sausage, then make basically a bechemel with the rendered sausage fat).
    Biscuits and gravy. FEH!

    Try making Sauce Espagnole for your Turkey this Thanksgiving. Your tastebuds will thank you that the French invented decent cooking.
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    I don't know but it seems stupid to me to stop eating bread and fruit.

    As far as I know dark bread and fruits are among the healthiest things around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Biscuits and gravy. FEH!

    Try making Sauce Espagnole for your Turkey this Thanksgiving. Your tastebuds will thank you that the French invented decent cooking.
    I'm trained in French techniques, thank you.

    My favorite cuisines are Mexican and Thai, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzi View Post
    I don't know but it seems stupid to me to stop eating bread and fruit.

    As far as I know dark bread and fruits are among the healthiest things around.
    As said, fruit is full of sugar, and bread is full of refined carbohydrates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    As said, fruit is full of sugar, and bread is full of refined carbohydrates.
    I just can't give up either. I like fruit too much. And bread is the best part of certain meals (a bowl of mussels in a wine, butter, and herb broth... dunk the bread... heaven).

    I do use moderation, though. Mostly I eat meat, beans, and vegetables.
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    Thanks OP, I just bought the book on amazon.
    Though I'm not a qualified nutritionist, I am 22 and very interested in food, what is in food and how it affects the body.
    However I have no need to lose weight as I am 182cm and 66kg and I can see my abdominal muscles, but I do like to add to my repertoire of nutritional information.

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    Human metabolism is extremely complex and can be varied by a number of factors. In this situation, the lack of carbohydrates is believed to stimulate the body to burn through adipose tissue more quickly to make up for the energy loss, sort of like a controlled starvation method. Just because lack of carbs can cause weight loss does not mean that too much carbs is the cause for weight gain; its just how the complex feedback systems work in the body. There are also other ways to lose weight; if his theory was correct, than statins would not work. Theory is nice and all, but application shows the true importance of medical science.

    The formation of "modern carbs" is also a ridiculous concept. The source of the carbohydrates does not matter when compared to the carbohydrates themselves; they are independent. And if you want to disagree with me on this, well... nature has multiple methods to get the same substances into your body, does it not? Or is vitamin A from butter different from vitamin A from green veggies?

    One warning to people who take this to an extreme: watch your blood pH. Acidosis can be pretty common for those who overuse this diet.
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    It is pointless to argue with the fact that fruit is sugar-packed, and bread is refined carbohydrates. Of course in moderation it is okay, but your weight can significantly improve just by cutting out sugars and carbs especially. I still believe that calories is the #1 issue when it comes to weight loss, but for extra effect, cutting out carbs and sugars is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    As said, fruit is full of sugar, and bread is full of refined carbohydrates.
    Yes. Fruit is full of sugar. Full of natural sugar that humans have eaten for millenia.

    Also, I am no nutritiologist (is this a word?), but the general consensus is that white bread is bad, while dark bread is pretty cool.

    EDIT: All in all, I think most people should cut soda, and not fruit. They should cut pizza, and not bread. Etc.

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