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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by xlightning View Post
    10 do count, If a 10 man guild gets the world first they will have 1# in all sites and progress acknowledge by everyone or not it will be a fact. And no, i am not a Paragon fanboy. I never liked theme.
    They never counted before, so why would they count now?

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by DarthThrall View Post
    Any your opinion matters why?

    Only a Paragon member can come out and say that for it to be taken seriously. Otherwise go away please.
    Hermanni is a Paragon member.

    (one would think his avatar is a dead giveaway...)
    Last edited by florestan; 2012-10-10 at 01:54 PM.

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermanni View Post
    I think it's about time you people started applying some logical thinking and stopped arguing about what counts and what doesn't. 10-man and 25-man are, among other things, very different, and you should just consider them to be two separate leagues, divisions or whatever term suits best.
    Said that a year ago but people just like to argue ;p.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermanni View Post
    I think it's about time you people started applying some logical thinking and stopped arguing about what counts and what doesn't. 10-man and 25-man are, among other things, very different, and you should just consider them to be two separate leagues, divisions or whatever term suits best.
    It would be good to have separate races, although i think the 10 man race will be boring as hell, since you guys will crush the competition.

  5. #305
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repefe View Post
    Faster releases imply you will be able to make content for releases faster. More frequent releases do not imply you will be able to make content faster, only that you will be releasing what you make more often. For example faster release = I will release 10 boss raid in 5 months instead of 10 months. It will be faster release. More frequent release = I will release 5 bosses in 5 months and other 5 bosses 5 months later. I won't work any faster than before, but I will make releases more frequently.
    I don't think you understand the meaning of either of the words in question. You are somehow transferring to 'faster' and 'frequent', which are only measurements of speed, a contextual weighted value of content. As in somehow one word means more things being included. Those words are not a measurement of content, they are not containers. They only represent a speed, pace, etc.

    I'm not even sure how your brain could make what I quoted work for you. I think the word you are looking for is EARLIER. Faster ≠ Earlier. Speed ≠ Time.

    Edit: On further reading, I understand what you are *trying* to express. It's just not right. And no, I'm not arguing semantics. The statement that content will be coming faster or more frequently both mean the same thing. You have to apply the words to the whole process, not an individual time of the process. While either of these situations might cause an earlier (temporal) release, one moment in time does not affect an overall definition of the speed at which it is delivered.
    Last edited by Kelimbror; 2012-10-10 at 01:59 PM.

  6. #306
    imho - 10-mans were generally easier for 25-man guilds because they could hand pick the best group out of their roster.

    Most guilds who normally raid 10-mans have a limited roster. So their "A Team" is generally not as strong as a 25-man guild running a 10-man. 25-man guilds just have much larger rosters for which you can cherry pick perfect players/classes for a raid.

    PLUS, 25-man guilds were generally the best players since 25-man guilds were all you had for top tier raiding in TBC and WotLK. Thus, most experieced raiders were 25-man raiders.

    Just some things to consider when arguing about which is "easier".

    Personally, I think both have their pros and cons. Some fights seemed easier on 10-man, and others on 25-man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilian View Post
    That doesn't make sense at all. If I raid 10 man that doesn't mean I consider 25 man equal in the world first race.
    I never said you did. If you want to read it as that, you are free to do so.

  8. #308
    Just make a frontpage newspost saying that MMO-Champion will consider 10 man and 25 man as different world first races and will make different posts for them from now on. Be an example. Maybe that works better than having moderators telling everyone to not discuss 10 vs 25 man constantly.
    If Blizzard would do something similar and stop trying to make them equal then we might not have our community split in four but in two instead.

  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by DarthThrall View Post
    Any your opinion matters why?

    Only a Paragon member can come out and say that for it to be taken seriously. Otherwise go away please.
    This is grand, such blind devotion to Paragon.... But doesn't know which Paragon members post here? How about his avatar? I'm chuckling pretty hard at how stupid you look right now.

  10. #310
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdummy View Post
    They never counted before, so why would they count now?
    If a 10 man guild kills the last boss first go to WoWProgress or other site and you will see theme ranked as 1#. What you gonna do about that?

  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by Duridi View Post
    I never said you did. If you want to read it as that, you are free to do so.
    It's still not a good argument and makes no sense.

    And they will never be equal. You can think what you want but you will just be ignoring the facts.

  12. #312
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    Quote Originally Posted by dakalro View Post
    They'll have the WF 10 man. Just like the 1st 25 man will have WF 25 man.

    I've cleared MV normal on 2 chars, one 10 one 25 and they're nowhere near the same difficulty on normals, they're just different. I expect the same on HCs. 25 man requires some more planning, 10 man requires good rosters. So far 10 was simpler but easier to wipe to. 25 just had some extra logistics issues to get over the required DPS (how to split your dps properly)
    But if the 10 man kills it first you can say it is 10 WF and WF, if a 25 man kills it after they are 25 WF but not WF.

  13. #313
    Honest question to all of you people here...why do you care who does X first? Does it effect your life in anyway? Are they heroes to you? just curious...because I find this whole thing to be asinine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayishere View Post
    Honest question to all of you people here...why do you care who does X first? Does it effect your life in anyway? Are they heroes to you? just curious...because I find this whole thing to be asinine.
    I imagine it's the same thing as watching a sporting league, it's at least very similar to me. I like knowing whose the best guild in the world for each tier, makes it exciting for the next one.
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  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by jayishere View Post
    Honest question to all of you people here...why do you care who does X first? Does it effect your life in anyway? Are they heroes to you? just curious...because I find this whole thing to be asinine.
    I think it has to do with the competitive nature of raiding and just human nature. I know using an analogy to sports is frowned upon, but why care who wins the Super Bowl or World Series?

  16. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by jayishere View Post
    Honest question to all of you people here...why do you care who does X first? Does it effect your life in anyway? Are they heroes to you? just curious...because I find this whole thing to be asinine.
    Does posting this question affect your life in anyway?

    It's entertainment. If you don't find it entertaining then don't come here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayishere View Post
    Honest question to all of you people here...why do you care who does X first? Does it effect your life in anyway? Are they heroes to you? just curious...because I find this whole thing to be asinine.

    It's like any other race. You have your favourites and you support theme. Don't you like sports / E sports?

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by Redriot View Post
    I think it has to do with the competitive nature of raiding and just human nature. I know using an analogy to sports is frowned upon, but why care who wins the Super Bowl or World Series?
    Why is a sports analogy frowned upon? It's a perfect analogy.

  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by yjmark View Post
    Why is a sports analogy frowned upon? It's a perfect analogy.
    A lot of people will argue the comparison of any video game to a physical sport.

    see below for details.

  20. #320
    Quote Originally Posted by xlightning View Post
    It's like any other race. You have your favourites and you support theme. Don't you like sports / E sports?
    I like sports, but it's not the same as raiding...Sports are Real Life things...while raiding/and MLG are...video games, not real. At least in MLG they play for money so I can see something there.

    Can you bet on raiding guilds? is there any sort of sports betting to make a little money on if the guild you like does finish top 3?

    ---------- Post added 2012-10-10 at 10:13 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Redriot View Post
    A lot of people will argue the comparison of any video game to a physical sport.
    This. It's not a perfect analogy because video games aren't real life, they are fantasy. It's like arguing the merits of quiddich as a real sport.

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