I am dissapointed with the revive skill, since it was a good use in wvw. but oh well. now I can use it in dungeons.
My main is an 80 guardian. I'm glad I went hammer at 70 and never looked back so that I don't have to worry about relearning my key bindings and cooldowns for greatsword.
That being said, I understand why they did it and why they don't want retaliation to be a permanent boon. I think some of the people crying here and on the GW2 official forums are doing it just for the sake of not liking change.
As for my first character, my 80 elementalist. Well, I haven't even touched her since I rerolled the guardian anyways so I suppose it doesn't matter what they do to them until they get around to buffing them.
I agree that the guardian's options for ranged weapons are horrible but for me at least it's only glaringly obvious in WvWvW. If Anet would do something as simple as make it possible to receive badges of honor for supporting and healing your group and not JUST doing damage, they'd fix the problem themselves without having to change any profession's weapons or skills. However, this thread isn't about that.
ppl always cry when their class gets nerfed. Balance means bringing all classes to the same level. If your greatsword loses damage its prolly cuz it was a lil too high.
All classes: Signer nerfs appear to be about generally fixing direct fire skills to have a facing requirement (i.e. immobilize will be an effective counter to these).
Elementalist: Glyph of renewal was obviously bugged, and made elementalists actually functional in support role as they had a "unique snowflake" resurrector role. No such fear anymore with this fix, elementalists have been pushed into utter uselessness beyond initial encounter support on the ground.
Whirlpool was powerful enough to make elementalists able to challenge other classes in underwater combat. Need to see if elementalist will now become just as useless underwater as he's above it.
Guardian: GS nerf was needed to prevent guardian overstacking in tPvP. Not entirely sure it was enough of a fix either, as bunker guardian is still doable, and you'll still want guardian in their "unique snowflake" role of highly damaging and survivable solo point defender. I suspect this will depend more on team strategy then these nerfs, as they are nowhere near as heavy in terms of "unique snowflake" removal as elementalist nerfs.
Mesmer phantasm nerfs were hilariously weak. Triple bleed phantasm mesmer will still rule sPvP with an iron fist as most people can survive almost as long as phantasm cooldown and mesmer can simply grab another phantasm for utility to compensate for increased cooldown. You'll be weaker against swarms of gimps though.
Thief: pistol whip nerf may or may not be sufficient. Basilisk venom is both a buff and a nerf, needs testing to see if good or bad.
Engineer: always been a bit of a mixed bag and remains one.
Necromancer: minor buffs that are nice, but class needs more direct damage options and less ramp up time at this point rather then skill interaction fixes.
I'm reading the class tweaks and I can't see the end of the world that some people on this thread are talking... at least the elementalist one are pretty much understandable tweaks.
Guardian were OP as hell, idk why the OP beleives otherwise, maybe he's a bit unskilled... crying about the greatsword damage, it was over the roof, the retaliation buff you got from using the 2hand was just stupid, sorry to tell you sir, but the fact that you talk about the "guardian forum qqing" for balance and giving oppinions is just a bad example, take a look at SC2, people cried a fuckton about zerg on 1.5 (mainly terrans) and we've seen a lot of terran domination in tournaments... people just poop out their thoughts without developing much about "what can i do to get a slight advantage (or recover) over what was modified".
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I play a Necromancer, which is still the buggiest profession. I am still having fun, despite the bugs. I just make it work. So people whining about a few nerfs makes me really laugh. Learn to adapt. I also think it's hilarious that someone said they'd only buy WoW expansions. Blizzard is probably the worst offender when it comes to nerfing classes to the ground because of being OP in PvP.
The 15% damage nerf to theives one skill is minor at best. hardly makes a difference. Dagger and pistol still rape face with 9k crits.
Mesmer nerf would be fine if half our shit wasn't broken.
Elementalist provide less or at best equal damage than other classes using double or thrice the abilities while being far less reliable.
Was that revival glyph in OP's post the one that revived DEAD players (not downed, DEAD)? Because if so, that was entirely OP as hell. Dead players are dead, easy revives are only for downed players. Ex: Warrior's Battle Standard. Revives all DOWNED players, does nothing to DEAD players.
One would expect that they would also fix the problems of the class when making such a fix. They didn't.
the only nerfs I see are that you cant use your runes/sigils against enemys that are behind you and that you cant rezz dead people anymore... doesnt sound that bad
Clearly the revival glyph was changed because of dungeons and our ability to revive upwards of 3 dead people at once. It was pretty powerful, and was also a good way to pull NPC's through dungeons (such a Magg). The change was probably made to stop groups from rushing through, letting him die, and ranged ressing him to bypass part of the encounter.
Whirlpool - it's whatever. I'm sure it's a big deal to pure underwater PvP but otherwise, it's a moot topic. We're still very powerful underwater in regards to PvE, with multiple ways to damage, CC, heal and escape. But I know a lot of people in this game are only concerned about the damage they do and demanding "big numbers" to be viable - so I sympathize with your frustration.
From a PvE point of view, I'd admit that traited GS is probably a bit OP, especially since several traits cater to it very specifically.. and that was, and still is, probably one of the biggest flaws with it. On the same token, some of the other weapons for guardians are pretty bad (oh hi, mace / shield combo, or hammer), and seem to receive little to no attention.
And no, there's no amazing long-range attack for the class, nor should there be, given everything else they're good at.
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Guardians are the paladins of guild wars 2 their damage should be a little sub par ( which is isnt ) for the shear amount of damage soaking abilites they have not to mention that heal
overall take it with a grain of salt its not like they suck now
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