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  1. #41
    the vengeance change is a slight nerf in some ways and a buff in others its a nerf because in theory a tank soaking a massive hit could avoid attacks often enough after it that the vengeance from that massive attack would last indeffinately (this would take a lot of luck or a skilled druid + a fair bit of luck to happen though) and making it stack of avoided attacks isnt the buff people think it basically just means tanks not getting screwed threat wise if they get lucky and avoid half a dozen attacks right of the bat
    there will be very few circumstances where this is actually a DPS increase for tanks

  2. #42
    It's a buff not a nerf, read it again slowly if you have trouble.

  3. #43
    Happy I caught this, just bought out every cheap IoD and cheap herb to mill them. Bring on the profits :P

  4. #44
    Thank GOD. I was just grumbling about how I have 400+ ink of dreams, and no starlight inks. Now I know what I'm doing first thing tomorrow :P

  5. #45
    I wonder if we should recruit more tanks to the guild and run with 4-5 tanks in 10man, I guess that would increase our raid dps overall.

  6. #46
    Thank you blizzard for making solo'ing your new MOP D's even easier. DK tanks love you more and more everyday

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by xrayEU View Post
    I wonder if we should recruit more tanks to the guild and run with 4-5 tanks in 10man, I guess that would increase our raid dps overall.
    How do you plan on getting 4-5 tanks their vengeance buff?

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Rixis View Post
    How do you plan on getting 4-5 tanks their vengeance buff?
    Just some nice chain taunting should do the trick, if vengeance stack up rapidly it should work

  9. #49
    Buffing tanks' DPS? I think there's been a case of AIDS in Blizzards simulators.

  10. #50
    Buff threat first before vengeance i cant even dps boss fights without dying.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannekaker View Post
    Go ahead, buff Vengeance even more... :P
    How is This a buff? Tanks have no gear atm, thats why we get so much vengeance because we take so much damage(avoiding less) but with This change thats baseb on avoiding stuff, we won't get that much vengeance until we get gear!
    Bang bang

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by tankz0 View Post
    How is This a buff? Tanks have no gear atm, thats why we get so much vengeance because we take so much damage(avoiding less) but with This change thats baseb on avoiding stuff, we won't get that much vengeance until we get gear!
    Before this change, whenever you avoid an attack your vengeance buff is refreshed but not added to. After the change it is both refreshed and added to. Obvious buff.

  13. #53
    not the greatest buff but at least its something

  14. #54
    Vengeance is not being buffed, it's being smoothened. In Mogu'shan Vaults (and upcoming raids) many fights have tank swapping mechanics. After taunt avoidance streak could mean that you have zero vengeance and dps or the old tank could very easily pull aggro. And in 5 man content where vengeance drops between packs and avoidance streaks are bad for the tank and overly eager dps. Vengeance is being averaged out, not buffed or nerfed.

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    Wow. Just... Wow.

  16. #56
    My question is.... where is this vendor? I cant trade my inks...

  17. #57
    If u lost $ bc you sold your inks it's your own fault. Common sense would state the ink trader would get updated. Guess common sense isn't so common. On the bright side, thx for all the cheap ink u sold me last week.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by olivete View Post
    My question is.... where is this vendor? I cant trade my inks...
    I want to know the answer to this as well. I really hope this isn't a "oops, we forgot to put it in even though we just announced it yesterday".

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by KLPath View Post
    I want to know the answer to this as well. I really hope this isn't a "oops, we forgot to put it in even though we just announced it yesterday".
    Same, still old inks for me

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Archdruid Dehydrate View Post
    DPS are getting mad that they can't slack anymore, quit being lazy. Us Tanks shouldn't be top dps unless its aoe.
    "You tanks" shouldn't be top DPS, AT ALL. Single target, AoE, Abraham Lincoln, whatever. They need to put some kind of short ICD on Vengeance stacking so you don't gain astronomically more from multiple sources. The "gain" in DPS from AoE (and I use the term loosely here because it's rather hard for most DPS to do more AoE than single-target currently, unless they want to have no cooldowns for boss pulls) should come from using your attacks effectively, not because you gain hundreds of thousands of attack power from pulling a bunch of mobs.
    OMG 13:37 - Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Cleave unto me, and I shall grant to thee the blessing of eternal salvation."

    And His disciples said unto Him, "Can we get Kings instead?"

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