I think that during shadow dance would be better to throw at least one ambush for find weakness - if not spamming it.
But for the rest, ST looks extremely sexy for the spec. Trying tonight.
It doesn't. Ambush under FW is very distinctly ahead. Backstab seems to have a distinct, but small, pre-poisons lead (back to the logs I posted) over ST outside and inside FW uptime.
Rogue Forum Moderator (formerly Mugajak)
Former Electric Sheep Recruitment Officer (They're Great!) - Kaeldraens
hmm.. now we just need Deadly Throw buffed and we can have a real range rotation
I wanted to try this spec just for shit and giggles and i actually managed to get a rank 1 parse in wol on 4 kings, which is not saying much seeing that not many peoples actually use sub on that fight (or any fight for that matter), but still is kinda cool
Here's the log for those intererested, i actually didn't play that try well at all, i had way better tries and i'm sure i could have done way more than that but whatever:
I tried the ST sub spec on the second boss (don't remeber the name :P ) i've done a 45k dps fight - which is at least on par with the damage i've done in other situations.
There are some downs with my gear unfortunately:
- only 461 ilvl (which is pretty low but imho enough to dish out decent numbers)
- i didn't use a dagger main hand, hence i lost a lot of poisons procs, lost Hemo damage, etc, etc.
Ambush is definitely better than ST in shadow dance, anyway. It hits for a damn lot more than 2 ST - maybe if both crit they can be on par. Anyway i've seen a 65k one LOL.
Okay, made a full Raid on H Feng with ST as my main CP Builder as Sub, the results were pretty nice!
Here are my Experiences so far:
- ST gives you 99,9% Uptime. It procs insanely much Poison, but also Trinkets.
It may be better to not ST on range when your Relic etc. are ready.
- Great Fluidity, Rotation feels complete. A lot more Eviscerates due to insane CP Generation.
- On Heroism, i switch to Backstab, with Haste reforge i otherwise cap out on Energy.
When i can't get below 75 Energy on average, i "weave" a Backstab into the Rotation.
- Anticipation didn't net me enough CP's due to low Haste. My guess is that with better Gear, Anticipation will outperform ST.
- Energy Pooling before Cooldowns became easier, because i can refresh SnD and Rupture alot faster.
That way i can better line up my CD's with my Trinket Proc's.
So far, im pretty much satisfied with ST. Who would've guessed? In my Opinion Sub is the best Spec for ST though. No Reliance on other CP Builders like RS/SS, nice Energy Regen with SnD even outside of Melee, nice AP Boost thanks to Sinister Calling (ST seems to scale with AP) and it gets boosted by Sanguary Vein.
My Gear: http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/characte...perbolt/simple
Will look if i can post some Logs.
Last edited by Nouk; 2012-10-12 at 02:57 PM.
Did some very unscientific testing on a dummy, ST netted me about 4k more dps than Anticipation as subtlety. But, it looks wierd
Solution, get your entire guild to help you test!
I know you guys are discussing this in PvE situations, but has anyone tried replacing Shuriken Toss with Mutilate in PvP?
Now I know you lose Blindside procs when you do this, but I found out that damage has increased significantly across the board. Yeah that's right, burst and sustained damage is now better as Assassination in PvP thanks to the low energy cost of Shuriken Toss and how fast it generates combo points to be used with finishers. With Shadow Blades up, I'm using Envenom every 2-3 seconds while building combo points with Shuriken Toss. The damage this puts out when combined with Vendetta is nuts. Dispatch is still better to use when your opponent is under 35% but otherwise Shuriken Toss seems to be the way to go. I haven't tried this in arena yet but in battlegrounds the majority of my damage is coming from Deadly Poison procs and I'm more than doubling my total damage done now then when I was using Mutilate or playing Subtlety. Easily hitting over 10 million damage done in a average-length match of Arathi Basin and usually topping damage.
Again, not sure how effective this would be in high-rated arena but I am melting people in battlegrounds at the moment. It's really a lot of fun.
Go Subtlety for PvP, not Assasination.
Incoming Shuriken Toss nerf then.