I have simmed myself and if I done it right all 3 we're very close but with crit slightly ahead, does this sound right?
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OT: Yes, very well possible. If you look at the BiS 14H list with Scale factors on the SimC site then you'll see it has Crit = Mastery in that too.
These are mine (yours will differ!):
You can see there are points where Crit and Haste will flip around at bit, this seems to occur at various Haste thresholds, Doom at 3036, Corruption at 4717 for example, but you can see it doesn't take much more Haste for it to overtake and quickly rebuild it's superiority.
I ran some sims on my gear earlier today, and even though haste is the lowest in the stat weights changing my reforges only would move my dps + \ - ~ 150 dps. For me personally 150 dps isn't worth cutting my haste into nothing for other stats so I decided to continue to stack haste until I hit a point were the damage stacking a different stat will actually be noticeable in play.
Honestly for the most part right now for demo I consider stats just int, hit, and secondary because all 3 secondary stats are so close.
Nice thread, have been thinking the same realy. Am using askmrrobot atm to sort out everything for me. With that being said i´ve not done any sims latley.
Jessicka what damage are you pulling on The Stone Guards? Why am asking is because I would love to hear how your "haste stacking" is working for you.
Feel free check my armory and see if you find out any flaws. Would be Very much appreciated Jessicka.
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Latest parse was 60k on Stone Guards. I understand a lot of guilds are just stacking the three dogs up and multidotting/cleaving I don't think we're quite at that level, so just 2 dogs at a time for us
Just a random tip for anyone struggling with getting too many people in melee in that fight through chains; kite the dogs up and down the sides of the room a few yards at a time to make use of as much space as you can, it really helps minimise raid damage and gives people people plenty of space to avoid all the crap on the floor.
isnt simcraft broken right now?
ya i did sims with my gear with different ratings(4198, 4717, 5260, 6640 haste, rest into mastery), close to hit cap(orc with wand) and all those sims came within 150 dps of each other. i wanted to try demo this time around for the new raid + the farm bosses in MSV heroic, and even with switching int/mastery gems(affliction) to int/haste gems(demo), and having to reforge a few pieces for specific affliction for the sim, it still came out to within that 150 dps mark.
THey are all VERY VERY close.
However, keep these in minds:
1) Mastery's value will depend on your capacity to optimize/maximize your Fury use. Itll be great if you are good at it, itll be bad if you are. It doesnt have a static value.
2) Crit's value always was and always will be RNG dependant. Simcraft can average your DPS to 50k (for exemple), but what happens in reality is that sometimes you'll be 60k DPS, and sometimes you'll do less then 40k.
3) Haste is our only objectifyable stat as Demo. It will always be worth just as much, since the only skill gameplay decision that affects its value negatively would be if you simply stop doing anything altogether. Also, it has very easilly definable plateaus and it is not a % chance.
Personally I always go with haste. Its the best bang for your buck unless you are playing as perfectly and are just as lucky as the Sim Craft. It also allows you to adjust faster to target switches due to lowered casting/GCD.
Last edited by Nikijih; 2012-10-29 at 06:30 PM.
I reforged all my gear into every stat but on max. dps mastery won the ´´fight´´ .
When Simcrafted with full mastery, kritt still pulls ahead but if i change my reforges into kritt (not totaly) the result is a dps loss.
I can´t feel the power of haste , my shadow bolt casting time is 2,35 secs (full mastery) and it gets down to 2.2 when reforged into haste; ok ok , haste makes you build up demonic fury faster... but how much faster ? because when i´m going into meta (mastery reforged) i´m a monster!
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All of the people talking about haste breakpoints for DoTs don't understand how cast times are affected by haste, and how important it is for Demonology.