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  1. #521
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    My friend came up with a theory that Hellscream will turn into a Mogu. Reasoning is that the Mogu are dark energy beings. Mogu also resemble orcs a bit as well. Fel Orcs came to be when they try to control the Fel Energies of Outland (there is more to it but it is a generalization) Maybe Mogu are Orcs that controll the energies of the Sha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arridor View Post
    Anyone addressing me: CALM DOWN. I freaked out, because one of my new favorite characters were killed. I've calmed down now, seeing that there's a good chance all of this is leading to finally end this war but we've got to get through some really hard stuff to make everyone turn against Garrosh.

    Tirion ruining Wrath's lore? Good joke there, bro. Wrath had the best story in WoW yet, and big part of it was the Argent Crusade.

    If you haven't noticed yet, I'm an old WC3 fanboy. I'm returning to WoW every once in a while only because of that old bond to that old game. I loved the message and ending of Reign of Chaos, and any time I see the game reverting back to dull black&white morality of WC1, I can only weep at that development. The War in Warcraft was to me always the war against the Burning Legion, the real evil, and seeing mortals overcome their differences against a common threat. Some of the new 5.1 spoilers make me hopeful MoP may yet turn out that way in the end.

    Sorry about the freak-out and hope I'm still cool with everyone. Over and out.
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    My guess is that someone smashes the Bell before Garrosh can fully wield it. Someone on the Horde side. Someone who knows full well what the power of the Sha can do. Someone like Nazgrim. Maybe with the help of Vol'Jin or Baine.

    This of course, pisses Garrosh off and he starts throwing a temper tantrum and banishing people from Org and lashing out at the other Horde races.

    And I don't think Anduin is dead. He's been built up to something like Bolvar to this point. He needs that moment of glory before fulfilling his destiny.

    Edit: The Jaina soundfiles have her talking to Anduin after she's informed he died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arridor View Post
    Anyone addressing me: CALM DOWN. I freaked out, because one of my new favorite characters were killed. I've calmed down now, seeing that there's a good chance all of this is leading to finally end this war but we've got to get through some really hard stuff to make everyone turn against Garrosh.
    It's not even certain he's dead yet. Keep in mind that this is a datamined sound file. It might not even be used in-game at all.

    We have no idea what the context is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    It's not even certain he's dead yet. Keep in mind that this is a datamined sound file. It might not even be used in-game at all.

    We have no idea what the context is.
    thats always a possibility. I mean look at Rommath. We thought, due to sound files, that he was going to betray lor'themar the same way benedictus did the alliance, and join up with the twilight hammer. Turns out not only didn't he join up with them, but he's here now helping to get the sunreavers out of dalaran.

    Although given how 2 sound files, Jaina and Garrosh's one, both address Anduins death, it seems more likely, just not knowing if he will remain dead or not.

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    The Bell tolls for thee Garrosh Hellscream. In all honesty, this is the best expansion since TBC

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    I doubt Anduin truly dies, but if it so happens that he does, I won't mourn him. Ever since gaining a spotlight in Shattering he's been too perfect, nothing colorful in his personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    Almost sounds like how the Illusive Man thought he could control the Reapers in Mass Effect 3 despite already being heavily indoctrinated.
    I thought the exact same thing.

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    Anduin will return, or else the Draenei Pope would've seen him die in his visions. He will be between life and death and has to make a (obvious) choice. And he will defo return after Garrosh's been dealt with or next expac.

    but hey, blizzard creates the lore
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    For all the people trying to guess if Anduin lives or dies because there are 2 "Finale" clips in the video, my guesses are the following.

    Finale 1 is for the alliance part, where the Alliance Player and Anduin confront Garrosh. Garrosh strikes down Anduin and sends the Player to tell this story to King Varian.

    Finale 2 happens in the Horde side and you see how Garrosh kills Anduin and starts to bable about Mastering the Sha's powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grisset View Post
    My guess is that someone smashes the Bell before Garrosh can fully wield it. Someone on the Horde side. Someone who knows full well what the power of the Sha can do. Someone like Nazgrim. Maybe with the help of Vol'Jin or Baine.

    This of course, pisses Garrosh off and he starts throwing a temper tantrum and banishing people from Org and lashing out at the other Horde races.

    And I don't think Anduin is dead. He's been built up to something like Bolvar to this point. He needs that moment of glory before fulfilling his destiny.

    Edit: The Jaina soundfiles have her talking to Anduin after she's informed he died.
    The order in which the soundfiles are played are probably not following the correct order.

    For all the Soundfiles I heared so far, Anduin truly dies. We will see later what happens next, but all indicates that he does die at the hands of Garrosh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Thunder View Post

    For all the Soundfiles I heared so far, Anduin truly dies. We will see later what happens next, but all indicates that he does die at the hands of Garrosh.
    Not necesarily. Remember patch 4.2

    In case you don't I'll refresh your memory. Leaked soundfiles lead everyone to believe Hamuul would die at the hands of leyara. Even when the patch was released on the PTR and everyone was stuck at the Leyara quest, we all saw with horror how she burned to a crisp everyone's favorite old cow. Hamuul's NPC very clearly shows up as "dead" and Leyara seems 100% convinced that she killed the old bull.

    Turns out he was only mostly dead, and came back later to save the day.

    Same thing could be happening here. We don't know the specifics of Anduin's "death". For all we know, it could be a big explosion, where everyone believes him to have died, we don't see him again for a couple of patches, only for him to return at the eleventh hour and pull a "Gandalf" on us all of the sudden.

    I just don't see him just getting killed like that after all the build up he's been getting recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derah View Post
    I just don't see him just getting killed like that after all the build up he's been getting recently.
    Again, why should a character get plot armor when he is being build up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Again, why should a character get plot armor when he is being build up.
    It's less plot armour and more common sense than anything.
    Killing off important characters in stories is always done for a reason, and that reason should always be clear and detrimental to the story as otherwise you are ruining a character that could very easily progress the story more when he was alive. What purpose does Anduin's death fulfil that hasn't already been accomplished by all the losses of Cataclysm along with Theramore? It's just pointless overkill.

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    What if Thrall Rezzed Anduin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scummer View Post
    It's less plot armour and more common sense than anything.
    Its definitely plot armor if child of a hated (hordeside) king can move around with minimal bodyguard and doesnt get killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luccadeo View Post
    Isn't Anduin is supposed to lead the Army of Light against the Legion.
    Anduin is a priest.....the army of light was led by someone in gleaming ARMOR

    "When Velen turned to face Anduin, he had a sudden vision of a hero in gleaming armor, leading not just the Horde and Alliance, but the dragons and naaru as well in a battle against the Burning Legion"

    While technically armor could refer to the priests robes, I highly doubt it.
    It would make more sense for Turalyon to be the hero that leads the armies, being a legendary paladin and all.

    Also, given the ending of WC3 and Cata with that the fate of azeroth lies in mortal hands, we can't have the august celestials roaming around for too long, or they need a power level reduction.
    My bet is that Anduin lives!

    The Monkey King, mischevious as ever, knew that in order for pandaria/azeroth to survive the Sha we need to get rid of Garrosh.
    He let Anduin do what he did best, advocate for peace, knowing that both teh horde and alliance would stand behind him and that Garrosh could not allow for him to live. He knew garrosh would attempt to take his life. So the last meeting between anduin and garrosh, is fake. The Monkey King disguised as Anduin faked his death there, while the real anduin was somewhere safe (perhaps prepared for greater things) I'm telling you, the monkey king is behind this!!!!
    When later we learn that anduin isn't death, the horde will blame the alliance for instigating insubordination in the horde and after MoP horde will still dislike the alliance and vice versa, but with less War crimes in tow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alceus View Post
    Anduin will return, or else the Draenei Pope would've seen him die in his visions. He will be between life and death and has to make a (obvious) choice. And he will defo return after Garrosh's been dealt with or next expac.

    but hey, blizzard creates the lore
    Well, the problem (And bonus for a storywriter) is that prophecies only make sense after the fact :P

    Anduin Wrynn leading the "army of light" might also be a metaphor for his death being the incident that in the end unites the two factions to fight the big evil (Makes the less extremist factions in the horde decide that Garrosh has to go, opening the way for the army of light to form up), either that or they do the "... was just a setback!"-routine with Anduin, or he's not really dead after all, basically we don't know anything at this point :P

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    Isn't it a bit ludicrous that the Horde does alot of bad stuff to the Alliance under Garrosh but then supposedly when Garrosh gets offed and replaced with Thrall or whomever it's all fine and dandy again? I'm all for interesting stories of loss and sacrifice but then "VICTORY" is always in blazing gold over one side and "DEFEAT" in big black letters over the other for yet another expansion it doesn't sit well with me. How many "messages" must be sent to the Alliance before the Alliance actually does something that isn't just a response to whatever the Horde does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanin View Post
    Isn't it a bit ludicrous that the Horde does alot of bad stuff to the Alliance under Garrosh but then supposedly when Garrosh gets offed and replaced with Thrall or whomever it's all fine and dandy again? I'm all for interesting stories of loss and sacrifice but then "VICTORY" is always in blazing gold over one side and "DEFEAT" in big black letters over the other for yet another expansion it doesn't sit well with me. How many "messages" must be sent to the Alliance before the Alliance actually does something that isn't just a response to whatever the Horde does?
    Because the horde currently is lead by a tyrant dictator, a coward and child killer, and he's so ruthless he uses all his powers and control to intimidate anyone who questions his rule, going as far to have undead and blood elf emissaries in tides of war killed by his right hand man.
    He's a murderer and a coward, but one who would kill anyone in the horde who speaks against him, so the horde has no choice but to follow along with him. This is why when you see ones like Vol'jin, Baine, Dezco and lor'themar speaking fo him, its not because of loyality, but contempt in there current situation. They don't want to be in it, but are held at gunpoint because of it, for what Garrosh will do to them otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnlogic View Post
    so Voljin shows up on Pandaria...but better yet..the puny Prince Anduin dies!
    The only thing that's puny here is that Garrosh has to kill a little kid to feel mighty, besides Anduin doesn't die, which makes Garrosh even more pathetic, as he couldn't even kill an unarmed kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenjiNitari View Post
    The only thing that's puny here is that Garrosh has to kill a little kid to feel mighty, besides Anduin doesn't die, which makes Garrosh even more pathetic, as he couldn't even kill an unarmed kid.
    He propably did, but forgot that there are thousand ways to ressurect someone.

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