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  1. #501
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    Varion will go Vimes-level spare if this really happens...

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  2. #502
    And with Anduin dies my last hope of this game getting any respectable plot ever again. Sure, kill all the characters that don't want your stupid war. You wouldn't want a portion of your playerbase to have anyone to identify with in the game. This is going too much Warhammer.
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  3. #503
    Quote Originally Posted by wariofan1 View Post
    I do find it kind of funny that people were all like ''Anduin is such a bad character, he should just die'' before, but when the opportunity finally arises people are whining about it big time.
    most post I have read here and other forums are fully in support of Anduin biting the dust as he deserves, especially alliance players are heavy in favor of it, while horde players seem to be more against it given that he is shaping up to be a leader that bends over for them at every turn
    what people are whining about is that he will most probably get resurrected through some bullshit instead of staying dead

  4. #504
    Quote Originally Posted by Arridor View Post
    This is going too much Warhammer.
    Not enough...

    Not enough...

  5. #505
    Quote Originally Posted by Arridor View Post
    And with Anduin dies my last hope of this game getting any respectable plot ever again. Sure, kill all the characters that don't want your stupid war. You wouldn't want a portion of your playerbase to have anyone to identify with in the game. This is going too much Warhammer.
    Yes, because there are so many major characters out there who wants this war, like:

    Garrosh and partially Sylvanas, who just wants to be left alone and conquer all of Lordaeron without some Orc interference.
    Too often, we are mistaken for druidic types. perhaps that's true for some shaman, but do not let yourself be plagued by the ignorant belief that we are always peaceful.
    Nothing about what I do is harmonious. I command the elements to my will. There is nothing offered in return. I would have it no other way.


    Never assume an ogre's stupid, that's when they'll get you.

  6. #506
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Yes, because there are so many major characters out there who wants this war, like:

    Garrosh and partially Sylvanas, who just wants to be left alone and conquer all of Lordaeron without some Orc interference.
    Did you miss when a Blizzard rep tried to claim 100% of all thirteen playable races are 100% loyal to the two idiots called "faction leaders"?

    Forget that, everyone who has been an important, anti-war character is dying or being brainwashed by writers into another thickheaded 1-dimensional brute. Jaina? Brainwashed. Anduin? Dead. Next I know Tirion will either die or "join Alliance" (that would literally kill this franchise for me). Vol'jin? He's against Garrosh, not war. Show me one character who is still openly against this war and is alive, and isn't Wrathion.

    I still have some hope for Wrathion after all. I hope he gets somewhere and we don't get 5.3/4 end with just "nope, just kidding, he's dead".
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  7. #507
    Quote Originally Posted by Arridor View Post
    Jaina? Brainwashed.
    wut?
    Jaina is back to be being the horde loving idiot she always was

  8. #508
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arridor View Post
    Did you miss when a Blizzard rep tried to claim 100% of all thirteen playable races are 100% loyal to the two idiots called "faction leaders"?

    Forget that, everyone who has been an important, anti-war character is dying or being brainwashed by writers into another thickheaded 1-dimensional brute. Jaina? Brainwashed. Anduin? Dead. Next I know Tirion will either die or "join Alliance" (that would literally kill this franchise for me). Vol'jin? He's against Garrosh, not war. Show me one character who is still openly against this war and is alive, and isn't Wrathion.

    I still have some hope for Wrathion after all. I hope he gets somewhere and we don't get 5.3/4 end with just "nope, just kidding, he's dead".
    I'd welcome Tirion's death, he deserves that after ruining Wrath's lore big time.

    Also, it seems like you aren't playing this game for war. Bad choice of game seeing that the game is called Warcraft. And both Vol'jin AND Baine are against this war, they were both big Thrall supporters, and you'll probably see Thrall go against it soon too. The Shado-Pan are also against it obviously. It only goes to show how big this war is when anti-war guys are being slaughtered, and when anti-war characters want war all of a sudden.

    If you've had faith in lore 'till this point, I applaud you. I lost faith in it in Wrath, and only now is it coming back again.

  9. #509
    The other thing that caught my attention is that the Alliance army beach landing site is right next to Dawnchaser Retreat.

    Ironically I guess that the peaceful Tauren that have helped Anduin there so far are probably going to end up attacked / killed by the landing Alliance army, adding more fuel to the fire.
    Maddest of them all.

  10. #510
    Quote Originally Posted by Arridor View Post
    Did you miss when a Blizzard rep tried to claim 100% of all thirteen playable races are 100% loyal to the two idiots called "faction leaders"?
    There's a fine difference between "You have to fight this war" and "You want to fight this war"

    Also, Varian is against this war as well, but if you're under attack you have to fight as the military head of your faction, it's a soldiers duty to fight, if they want or not.

    Varian is no longer that borderline guy from Wotlk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arridor View Post
    Vol'jin? He's against Garrosh, not war. Show me one character who is still openly against this war and is alive, and isn't Wrathion.
    99% of the Garrosh critism is because of his Lust for War.

    Most of the Alliance leaders are against this, but there's no other way to deal with Garrosh.

    Garrosh is attacking the Alliance, what should they do? Call for a peace summit if everyone knows that Garrosh doesn't want peace?
    Last edited by Kralljin; 2012-10-12 at 12:04 PM.
    Too often, we are mistaken for druidic types. perhaps that's true for some shaman, but do not let yourself be plagued by the ignorant belief that we are always peaceful.
    Nothing about what I do is harmonious. I command the elements to my will. There is nothing offered in return. I would have it no other way.


    Never assume an ogre's stupid, that's when they'll get you.

  11. #511
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Most of the Alliance leaders are against this, but there's no other way to deal with Garrosh.
    Erh? The Night Elves seem pretty pissed off about Ashenvale and have been ever since Orgrimmar was being built.

    The Worgen also seem to badly want Gilneas back and the Alliance wants nothing to do with the Forsaken, wanting to claim Lordaeron back for the 'normal humans'.
    Maddest of them all.

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    The poop is hitting the fan. I really cant wait for this

  13. #513
    kid is gonna be sha corrupted, we fight him in the garrosh raid and set him free. Yay! there we go, solved it.

  14. #514
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Erh? The Night Elves seem pretty pissed off about Ashenvale and have been ever since Orgrimmar was being built.
    Point taken, altough this has happened under Thralls rule as well, so this seems a bit moot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    The Worgen also seem to badly want Gilneas back and the Alliance wants nothing to do with the Forsaken, wanting to claim Lordaeron back for the 'normal humans'.
    If you ask me, the Worgen should get Gilneas if this war is supposed to end under acceptable terms, the main reason to invade Gilneas was Garrosh Order with the reasoning that they need a sea port there, with no war, it's use is nullified and the Forsaken have no claim on Gilneas.

    This Lordaeron plot is something different, this entire War Plot of MoP is strongly focused around Garrosh and his actions, this War between the Forsaken and the Humans for Lordaeron has existed before Garrosh and will probably exist after Garrosh, Blizzard may not want to solve this issue directly and keep it for later plots.
    Too often, we are mistaken for druidic types. perhaps that's true for some shaman, but do not let yourself be plagued by the ignorant belief that we are always peaceful.
    Nothing about what I do is harmonious. I command the elements to my will. There is nothing offered in return. I would have it no other way.


    Never assume an ogre's stupid, that's when they'll get you.

  15. #515
    And another Alliance character bites the dust ^^

    I wonder when Blizzard is going to realize they have 2 factions that needs balance in order for players to stay.

    That said, i'm calling Anduin is not dead. He will probably return as the next Mary Sue.


    If he is dead, then they just killed off a huge Alliance future plot.
    Never has this game been so unbalanced when it comes to flat out destruction.

  16. #516
    Quote Originally Posted by Augrelle View Post
    Note how that part is under "FINAL 2"


    Note how the first part were he says he lets "some one" live is in "FINAL 1"


    There are two finals.

    Two endings.


    Both have similarities, but both have endings.
    final 1 is the alliance pov of the scenario where at the end Garosh spares the life of the alliance players to go tell the king that his son met the wrong end of Gorehowl.
    the second is the horde pov of the scenario

    i dont think it was that hard to guess but then again i may be wrong

  17. #517
    Anyone addressing me: CALM DOWN. I freaked out, because one of my new favorite characters were killed. I've calmed down now, seeing that there's a good chance all of this is leading to finally end this war but we've got to get through some really hard stuff to make everyone turn against Garrosh.

    Tirion ruining Wrath's lore? Good joke there, bro. Wrath had the best story in WoW yet, and big part of it was the Argent Crusade.

    If you haven't noticed yet, I'm an old WC3 fanboy. I'm returning to WoW every once in a while only because of that old bond to that old game. I loved the message and ending of Reign of Chaos, and any time I see the game reverting back to dull black&white morality of WC1, I can only weep at that development. The War in Warcraft was to me always the war against the Burning Legion, the real evil, and seeing mortals overcome their differences against a common threat. Some of the new 5.1 spoilers make me hopeful MoP may yet turn out that way in the end.

    Sorry about the freak-out and hope I'm still cool with everyone. Over and out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chen Stormstout
    To ask why we fight is to ask why leaves fall. (...)
    Quote Originally Posted by TotalBiscuit
    Gravity? We fight because gravity? Never listen to a philosophy from a panda.

  18. #518
    Quote Originally Posted by Arridor View Post
    Anyone addressing me: CALM DOWN. I freaked out, because one of my new favorite characters were killed. I've calmed down now, seeing that there's a good chance all of this is leading to finally end this war but we've got to get through some really hard stuff to make everyone turn against Garrosh.

    Tirion ruining Wrath's lore? Good joke there, bro. Wrath had the best story in WoW yet, and big part of it was the Argent Crusade.

    If you haven't noticed yet, I'm an old WC3 fanboy. I'm returning to WoW every once in a while only because of that old bond to that old game. I loved the message and ending of Reign of Chaos, and any time I see the game reverting back to dull black&white morality of WC1, I can only weep at that development. The War in Warcraft was to me always the war against the Burning Legion, the real evil, and seeing mortals overcome their differences against a common threat. Some of the new 5.1 spoilers make me hopeful MoP may yet turn out that way in the end.

    Sorry about the freak-out and hope I'm still cool with everyone. Over and out.
    Anduin and Tirion your favourite characters? You really have bad taste.

  19. #519
    Quote Originally Posted by wariofan1 View Post
    Also, it seems like you aren't playing this game for war. Bad choice of game seeing that the game is called Warcraft. And both Vol'jin AND Baine are against this war, they were both big Thrall supporters, and you'll probably see Thrall go against it soon too. The Shado-Pan are also against it obviously. It only goes to show how big this war is when anti-war guys are being slaughtered, and when anti-war characters want war all of a sudden.

    If you've had faith in lore 'till this point, I applaud you. I lost faith in it in Wrath, and only now is it coming back again.
    People who don't do PvP don't necessarily care about war, and since this "war" we're talking about now is more like an inter-faction mugging than a war, not very interesting at all for alliance at least, everybody is supposedly ready to fight, the peace-keepers are being "removed" in various ways (Either go "Herp derp KILL!" or get killed off/ignored), so when does the alliance fight back?

    Theramore was supposed to be this big turning point where alliance leadership grows a pair and the horde finally get a beating, there's still not much sign of that in 5.1, despite it being the time that major forces of both sides hit Pandaria's shores, the lore is becoming a sort of lopsided horde-lovers fanfic now ("Horde wins all coz alliance is t3h st00p1d lolololol!"), accusations of favouritism aside, it's not very logical for one side to just sit around doing nothing while the other is bouncing across the world gathering super-weapons, is it?
    Last edited by mysticx; 2012-10-12 at 02:54 PM.

  20. #520
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Anduin and Tirion your favourite characters? You really have bad taste.
    De gustibus ne disputandum est.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalBiscuit
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