Originally Posted by
Reppu Kishin
I actually buckled down and made an account simply to put out some of the nonsense. At least from this post.
Jaina's 'neutrality' with the Kirin Tor was strictly limited when she had taken the reigns over Theramore. In fact, her staunch support of the Alliance greatly outweighed her 'stance' with the Kirin Tor, including during Wrath of the Lich King. Her own self-imposed neutrality is what made her continue to support Alliance and Horde relations, not her previous tutoring within the Kirin Tor.
While Jaina very much, during Wrath of the Lich King, was a member of the Kirin Tor as she was the Alliance, she was still known as the ruler of Theramore, first and foremost. Which is exactly why during Wrath of the Lich King, she lead Alliance operations, NOT Kirin Tor operations. The fact she was a neutral leader of the Alliance was why she was respected by the Horde, and the Kirin Tor.
None of her operations ever conflicted with the Horde.
Come Cataclysm, and Theramore being more of an actual supply base and less of a neutral nation. This? Still has nothing to do with Jaina of the Kirin Tor. After Wrath of the Lich King, Jaina returned to Theramore full time and continued operations as normal. The escalation between the Horde and the Alliance had nothing to do with Jaina of the Kirin Tor. This is key here.
Speculation is all that is given if Theramore was behind any of the major operations on Kalimdor (as some will claim Camp Taurajo was purely a Theramore job), unless I'm missing key text here, that's only speculation. And irrelevant, ultimately, to the point I am responding to.
Jaina's involvement in the defense of Theramore was in defense of her home, her people, and of the Alliance. This? Had absolutely no bearing on the Kirin Tor. If ANY individual was guilty of breaking neutrality agreements of the Kirin Tor, it was Rhonin when he went to assist in the defense of Theramore. Not Jaina. And even then, Rhonin was there purely to defend and evacuate. Again, unless I'm missing key text, I do not believe Rhonin ever went on the counter-offensive, and was mostly there to try to prevent devastation and loss of life.
Since Theramore, Jaina has been struggling to remain neutral. The fact that Dalaran was used by the Horde to attack an Alliance city was the Horde breaking the neutrality agreement. Again, not Jaina. One could argue Jaina's attempt to drown out Orgrimmar was a breech of neutrality, but that was still Jaina Proudmoore of the Alliance, not Jaina Proudmoore, Member and Head of the Council of Six of the Kirin Tor.
Any claims of Jaina breaking neutrality for purging the Sunreavers for their (double) involvement in two Pro-Horde, Anti-Alliance movements? Be they deep or just a sect of betrayers? Is enough for ANY real or fantasy organization to cut ties then. If the Sunreavers were truly as innocent as they claimed, they should have let themselves be locked up until a proper investigation was put forth. Jaina is not a monster, despite as much as some people claim. Her terms were clear. But if the Sunreavers were adamant to have their cake and eat it too, they needed to be thrown out. Aethas couldn't control his own people (Unless he WAS in control of the deception), and that makes for not only a poor leader, but a poor member of the Six.
End of the Day: The Horde broke the neutrality agreement first and foremost by using Dalaran as a means of unleashing attacks on Alliance cities. Unless you argue Rhonin trying to evacuate and prevent the utter DEVASTATION of Theramore was breaking the neutrality agreement first, but that's a stretch at best. More like helping his wife, who is a staunch Alliance member.
So, again, unless I am missing something? I'm getting this odd feeling that you aren't illogical, but ignorant.
Thank you for my first post.