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  1. #641
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigeldruid View Post
    If they don't sort PvP soon, yes.
    No big loss then

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    No big loss then
    And that's suppose to mean?
    Nothing worth having comes easy. That's why hard content is worth doing, and easy content is a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horseface View Post
    It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
    I am not sure if you know what the word "fact" means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbadworgen View Post
    Seriously this.
    If you think pandas are like the second coming of Jesus or the new wonder of the world and you love it sooo much then just go play it. Why is this frantic effort to justify MoP receiving lower ratings and selling less ?? The numbers are what they are, your excuses will not change them.

    And metacritic was the same metacritic when it was giving previous expansions much higher ratings.

    Vanilla:
    Metascore 93, Player score 7.1

    The Burning Crusade:
    Metascore 91, Player score 7.1

    Wrath of the Lich King:
    Metascore 91, Player score 6.7

    Cataclysm:
    Metascore 91, Player score 5.1

    Mists of Pandaria:
    Metascore 83, Player score 4.4


    If it was OK then, it is OK now too.
    Did I mention that people who don't play WoW (anymore) can also vote on metacritic? You don't even have to give a good reason to give a game a low score. You can give WoW 5 "because I say it sucks"

    That's the problem with the internet. Every idiot with half a brain has access to it, and you notice that. I bet half of the kids that voted on MOP on metacritic plays Guild Wars 2 and is 12 years old. Not to mention the people that probably haven't even reached 90 yet and are butt hurt because 85-90 isn't done in 10 hours when questing normally.
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    And 97% of the Internet knows that 99% of statistics are made up on the spot!

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    I still got 2 months of game-time left, but it seems that I have to stop playing because of all these bad reviews... Jokes aside, I used to buy games only with good scores from sites like gamespot or IGN (that was ages ago), but then I noticed that I have a mind of my own and now I feel that I missed couple of great games that are not available anymore!

  6. #646
    Quote Originally Posted by Elapo View Post
    That's the problem with the internet. Every idiot with half a brain has access to it, and you notice that. I bet half of the kids that voted on MOP on metacritic plays Guild Wars 2 and is 12 years old. Not to mention the people that probably haven't even reached 90 yet and are butt hurt because 85-90 isn't done in 10 hours when questing normally.
    Not defending metacritic here, but this isn't exactly a stunning defense of WoW either. There have always been idiots on the internet, and WoW's had pissed off ex-players for a very long time (how many people hated Wrath? Cata?) Those people were giving bad reviews on metacritic then too.

    If you're going to attack metacritic, just say you can't trust any of the scores, good or bad. Don't just attack the bad scores (as you implicitly do here, by only giving explanations why the newest expansion got a lower score without explaining why any of the other expansions got higher scores). Or comment that the high scores could easily be posted by fan boys who don't care about the quality of the game so long as it's a Blizzard game, AND the negative scores can come from haters. If you're only attacking the one side, you look less like someone pointing out the (many) flaws of metacritic and more like a defender of WoW who only attacks things that disagree with your own opinion (not saying that you are, that's just the impression I get from your post).

    Seriously, just say "metacritic is untrustworthy because anyone can give any score/review, regardless of reason or experience." Nice and neutral, and makes the exact same point.

  7. #647
    mmm mop isnt a bad expansion.. its not really a great one.. imo i think its priced too high at $40.. should be 20 or less. but anyway id say its more or less on par with the start of cata.

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    Wait, are you saying that Cata is better than MoP? You are? OK. Now I know not to pay any attention to OP nor Metacritic.

  9. #649
    Quote Originally Posted by Nigeldruid View Post
    If they don't sort PvP soon, yes.
    You know, I hear comments like this at the start of every expansion. Maybe the PvPers need to stop crying wolf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekrik View Post

    EDIT1: We're not talking about the USER SUBMITTED REVIEWS on metacritic here (which can be ignored), we're talking about the actual CRITIC Reviews from respected people like IGN, eurogamer and gamespot.
    I dunno if I should laugh or cry at this statement. This is like looking at twitch and judging how good a game is.

  11. #651
    Quote Originally Posted by Nigeldruid View Post
    If they don't sort PvP soon, yes.
    If you want to PVP, play a real PVP game like SC2, GW2 or LoL, you'll have more fun.

    WoW PVP (especially right now) is horribly unbalanced and very poorly designed, and there's really no way to fix it without backtracking on a lot of the mechanics changes from cata to MOP.

    In other words, PVP will not be fixed in WoW this expansion.

  12. #652
    I don't understand what this thread is even about. WoW has numerous, undeniable flaws, but unless you're going to explain what you think those are, and give suggestions as to what you think can be done to fix them, bringing up useless crap like "METACRITIC SAID THIS" is meaningless, regardless if it's positive OR negative.

  13. #653
    Quote Originally Posted by Envisionist View Post
    The fact that metacritic gave cata a 91 shows that they are reviewing solely based of the first couple weeks of the game. Cata was super hyped and awesome looking when it was released, then fell apart and became arguably the worst expansion yet.
    Any reason to believe the same won't happen with this expansion?

    At least Cataclysm promised and delivered on something that drew old customers back to the game: a return to BC-difficulty heroics & raids. It was a fun gimmick for a while, and many players on my server came back to check it out.

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    TBC
    Competition and compared to, in reviews: Uuh..eeh? Everquest xpack maybe?
    Tbc follows good style and adds pretty fresh features(flying mounts, smaller raids, heroics etc)

    WOTLK
    Competition and compared to, in reviews: Warhammer, age of conan maybe aion.
    Wotlk holds its ground as neither of those are ground-breaking and are bit similiar (cept conan with some combat stuff and boobs..)

    CATA
    Competition and compared to, in reviews: LOTRO..later rift (rift came about month after 4.1).
    Cata holds its ground as neither lotro and rift are ground-breaking and are similiar to wow's style (hotkey mmos).

    MOP
    Competition and compared to, in reviews: Guild wars 2, Swtor, Tera, The Secret World(maybe) + others in past/soon maybe.
    Mop brings same old with some new features(and its okay if you like that).
    Swtor brings great story and voice-acting, still bit hotkeyish mmo.
    GW2..well we know all the hype that had and what it brings.
    Tera had pretty good new combat system.
    Secret world..uuh..err..got released. Ok questing maybe?

    Is it wonder MOP got lower score? I admit I havent played mop at all, but its no wonder it got lower score with high guns pointing around and changing lot of stuff. Its good that its still holding up, but getting lower score than xpacks in past is no wonder. Its just fact that getting lower scores starts getting "its still doing stuff great but soon its time to change" (their subjective opinion and due other mmos starting to get more and more action-oriented and moving away from hotkeys and old questing)
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  15. #655
    Firstly, OP, Gamespot hasn't reviewed the game yet so don't bring them up. :P

    Anyway, these reviewers are reviewing the early game and the levelling game. I completely agree with them that it feels dated.

    The end-game, however, is the best Blizzard has delivered in terms of PvE - ever. In PvP it can grow very large if they fix a couple of small things. The game is as solid as ever in the end-game.

    And that's what most WoW players care about. The end-game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosely View Post
    Any reason to believe the same won't happen with this expansion?
    Entirely speculative either way. To my mind between launch and what's on the PTR for 5.1 there's already more entertainment in MoP for level 90 players of all types than in Cataclysm from start to finish.

    Quote Originally Posted by mosely View Post
    At least Cataclysm promised and delivered on something that drew old customers back to the game: a return to BC-difficulty heroics & raids. It was a fun gimmick for a while, and many players on my server came back to check it out.
    In the long run, that didn't end well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekrik View Post
    It was downvoted by expert critics e.g. IGN, eurogamer etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomolithic View Post
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    For this amazing definition of ROFLMAO.
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    Cata was pure unadulteratred SHIT.

    MoP is fucking awesome.

    Critics rarely play the games they rate, they take the media pack and rate it based around their own perceptions. "Fuzzy pandas? Pokemon? No bigbad? This is probably horrible!"

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  20. #660
    Quote Originally Posted by Ishayu View Post
    And that's what most WoW players care about. The end-game.
    Didn't the recent MoP sales numbers show that the majority of WoW subscribers haven't bought the latest expansion yet? That would lead me to conclude the exact opposite of what you're saying here.

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