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  1. #461
    Quote Originally Posted by Vizslakane View Post
    Sorry if it sounded like I was breaking my 2pc set bonus, I am not. I do agree the 2pc is too strong. My concern was breaking the 4pc set bonus only (keeping the 2pc set bonus).
    With the 4 HM pieces i would equip, 2 have optimal stats (Haste/Mastery), while the other 2 have some crit. But again SimCraft is definitely showing a dps increase. I even simmed with heavy and light movement, and single/multiple targets.
    I'd think the realistic gain will be variable if the pieces aren't being switched out for haste/mastery, since I assume you're using PE/EM which has a gain from haste via fire elemental and mastery is your personal damage obviously, depending on the fight duration it will swing from a gain like simcraft shows (thought it will be small) to a noticeable loss based on cooldowns. It is personal choice, and I'd say if it's showing such a small gain of 2000, the small utility the 4pc can give on some fights might actually be worth keeping it for, it's all preferrence.
    Enhancement Shaman / Feral Druid

    “All things are subject to interpretation, whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.”

  2. #462
    Quote Originally Posted by wordup View Post
    I'd say if it's showing such a small gain of 2000, the small utility the 4pc can give on some fights might actually be worth keeping it.
    Thank you. Kind of what I was thinking exactly. Just it would be nice to be 570

  3. #463
    Has anyone ever been able to figure out how many times the 4-piece will proc, on a single target fight, on a per-minute average?

  4. #464
    Thanks, excellent guide.

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  5. #465
    Quote Originally Posted by Embermoon View Post
    Has anyone ever been able to figure out how many times the 4-piece will proc, on a single target fight, on a per-minute average?
    It's very difficult to quantify given that it can proc just as LvL is coming off cooldown and not provide the same gain. Best way to get an average is just look at ticks you usually get on a fight and divide by 20, gives you the very, very rough average of it.
    Enhancement Shaman / Feral Druid

    “All things are subject to interpretation, whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.”

  6. #466
    Quote Originally Posted by wordup View Post
    It's very difficult to quantify given that it can proc just as LvL is coming off cooldown and not provide the same gain. Best way to get an average is just look at ticks you usually get on a fight and divide by 20, gives you the very, very rough average of it.
    Also keep in mind that each proc is only ~half of an extra lava lash on average (can proc anywhere between immediately after using lava lash (full value) to immediately before using lava lash (0 value)).

  7. #467
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitwit View Post
    Also keep in mind that each proc is only ~half of an extra lava lash on average (can proc anywhere between immediately after using lava lash (full value) to immediately before using lava lash (0 value)).
    I already covered that in the first sentence.
    Enhancement Shaman / Feral Druid

    “All things are subject to interpretation, whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.”

  8. #468
    How difficult would you guys classify the rotation of enhance? Somewhere easier or harder than fury/feral?
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  9. #469
    Quote Originally Posted by pkm View Post
    How difficult would you guys classify the rotation of enhance? Somewhere easier or harder than fury/feral?
    Asking the question of regulars of this forum definitely encourages bias, but from experience myself, standard basic rotation is similar to fury, Enh is more difficult to organize and maximize, Feral is absolutely more difficult to regularly perform on, but Enh suffers a lot less from RNG given how much feral relies on good procs while pooling for rune/SoO RPPM trinks.
    Enhancement Shaman / Feral Druid

    “All things are subject to interpretation, whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.”

  10. #470
    Quote Originally Posted by wordup View Post
    I already covered that in the first sentence.
    Yes, but your calculation didn't. Divide flame shock ticks by 20 if you want the number of times the 4p proc'd on average, but divide by 40 if you want a rough estimate how many extra lava lashes it actually gave you (which is the value that most people are probably interested in).

    Anyway, long story short: it's not a very powerful bonus against a single target.

  11. #471
    Is it just me, or haste became much more valuable at heroic gear levels?
    With 566 ilvl for my offspec, simcraft gave me 0.73 for haste, 0.54 for mastery and 0.48 for crit. With just a few ilvls down, mastery was equal to haste. Is there something wrong or this is to be expected?

  12. #472
    Is there a certain gear level where PE overtakes Unleash Fury?

    I'm only 551 /w flex AOC and the 2piece, and Simcraft gives me 4k higher damage as UF over PE, so basically a negligible difference in favor of UF.
    Last edited by Emophia; 2014-04-11 at 09:25 PM.

  13. #473
    Quote Originally Posted by nitrobg View Post
    Is it just me, or haste became much more valuable at heroic gear levels?
    With 566 ilvl for my offspec, simcraft gave me 0.73 for haste, 0.54 for mastery and 0.48 for crit. With just a few ilvls down, mastery was equal to haste. Is there something wrong or this is to be expected?
    Depends on the gear you ran your sim with, and the settings in the sim. Generally speaking, though, it seems that most enhancers at high gear level gem and reforge for mastery > haste > crit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emophia View Post
    Is there a certain gear level where PE overtakes Unleash Fury?

    I'm only 551 /w flex AOC and the 2piece, and Simcraft gives me 4k higher damage as UF over PE, so basically a negligible difference in favor of UF.
    Simply having AoC puts PE over UF. Also, having the 2-piece T16 makes UE jump above SS in your priority.

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