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    My guild is making me gear for both ele and resto.....again

    I really, really hate 2-heal fights.

    In Dragon soul, I could never compete for DPS and I could never compete on heals because I never got my 4set bonuses for either over the course of our raiding due to me having to get ele and resto pieces. I bitched and moaned and complained the entire tier about it and they ended up promising that I'd be good to stay perma-healer for Mists.

    One of our officers leveled a monk and was going to be our hybrid healer/dps. However, his DPS was a complete and total failure. So then we moved our druid healer over to off-tank while our off-tank moved to DPS. Druid took too much damage even though the original OT was doing competitive damage.

    So, yep, you guessed it - I had to go DPS.

    For the first two kills - Stone Guard & Feng, I was heals, and I topped healing meters by a not insignificant amount. (A full 5% ahead of 2nd place monk).

    Then, I had to DPS for Spiritbinder and Spirit Kings. I don't really count spiritbinder because of the logs problem due to different realms - it showed me doing 50% of damage, lol. But for Spirit Kings, I did 56k dps and 2nd place was our rogue at 50k dps.

    It wasn't even close or pretty.

    And because I did so well on DPS while everyone else failed, I'm going to be stuck doing Ele/Resto for all eternity.





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    Welcome to playing a hybrid class that is pretty competitive in terms of DPS. I had to do the same thing on my shaman and my paladin in previous tiers because I was just generally better than the other DPSers in much worse gear.

    You could just go look for another guild that is only recruiting a DPS but you will find that there are times you will be healing instead of DPSing. Also, roll another class that is only DPS like a mage or a warlock. Also 3rd, tell your guild you only want to DPS and see how that pans out, they could gkick you, no more raiding, or realize that you are only going to DPS, find another healer and you can go on your merry way.

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    You should put down your foot and say either I am this or that, not both. If others can't play their spec then maybe those people should be scolded at for being crap. Being a hybrid class should not excuse people to play what they do not want to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathina View Post
    You should put down your foot and say either I am this or that, not both. If others can't play their spec then maybe those people should be scolded at for being crap. Being a hybrid class should not excuse people to play what they do not want to play.
    Indeed. As a paladin who'd only tanked since i started playing in TBC (as i had no interest in healing or DPS), i was asked to get a ret offspec during Cata. My offspec was Prot PVP, but i switched it for the sake of the guild. I expected they wanted me to tank for the first few nights while i got gear drops, but nope. Someone of a slightly higher rank than me (sorta like member+ while i was just member) told me i'd be DPSing that night, despite not having any ret gear.

    I pretty much put my foot down/spit the dummy/flipped some tables/pretended i was an ape and threw some shit, and said that if it was gonna be a case of not even giving me a chance to get geared for something i absolutely didn't want to do anyway, i'd simply resign from raiding completely. I actually started swearing at the person who'd asked me to "DPS in tank gear" because of the way they acted. It ended up settling on them backing off and just letting me tank. It didn't stop me resigning from raiding a few months later, but that was a completely unrelated event. I mean, i could understand that they needed a melee DPS offspec for the sake of progress, but they didn't seem to understand that i didn't want to DPS anyway, but more importantly, expected me to DPS in my tank gear (failing to realize the inherently massive requirements between playing prot with 1h and shield, and expecting a 1h and shield to work for ret).

    Put your foot down. Tell them that it's one or the other, or you'll simply resign from raiding or find another guild. They'll soon back off with their incessant requests. Asking someone to constantly be in limbo with their gear and spec is a sure fire way to lose them from your roster and your guild. It's not fair on them, and after all, it's them/you that's paying to play the game. They want you to play a way you're not comfortable with and that's simply unfair.

    Nowadays, i simply play alts, solo old content on said Paladin, and enjoy my time in game. I recently started making gold, but after making 85K in the first few weeks of the expansion, and getting a Crimson Deathcharger for 20K from another realm (realm transferred and alt with the gold, and now it's available on all my chars, which is fantastic as it's the only land mount i've ever truly wanted). I've got enough gold to settle for 3-4 expansions now, but main point is i don't raid any more. I play how i want these days, and while i tried to be flexible as a raider, i have my limits. They tried to go too far, and they ended up leaving with absolutely nothing changed from me.
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    Well in my last guild i also was ele/resto but when i wanted to heal id heal and when i said that im going dps then no 1 was arguing and they searched for another healer :P
    Change guild or demand a dps spot and hold to it, 3rd option reroll. Simple as that.

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    Well that happens to me with my priest... I WANT TO DPS NOT HEAL!.... raidleader: heal..... please... we need one...., Me: No... i don't want, all the raid menbers: don't be such an asshole and heal! is not a big deal..., me: i want to DPS D;, me: oks i will heal... just these boss......

    Now i'm a perma healer on my guild >.>

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    Not sure if moaning or bragging?

    We have several people in our team who readily swap specs for whatever reason (2 healer fights, 1 tank fights, going 4 DPS on Challenge modes etc) and they (and I) quite enjoy taking advantage of the versatility of being a hybrid class. Not sure why you don't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathina View Post
    You should put down your foot and say either I am this or that, not both. If others can't play their spec then maybe those people should be scolded at for being crap. Being a hybrid class should not excuse people to play what they do not want to play.
    You can put your foot down but that is not playing for the raid. I personally get the most satisfaction out of progressing with my raid group. That means so far I have geared up and played all 3 specs this xpack, first enh/resto and then ele/resto because blizzard tends to design encounters that punish melee.

    We encourage all of our players to play either 2 or all 3 of their specs as it allows for the maximum amount of flexibility in progression. If you don't want to play 2 roles maybe that's not the guild for you.

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    I agree with the rest, put your foot down. Tell them you want to only heal and if you are doing more dps than the actual dps, they should be the ones being punished, not you. You will either get what you want or a new guild.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tankitbetter View Post
    In Dragon soul, I could never compete for DPS and I could never compete on heals because I never got my 4set bonuses for either over the course of our raiding due to me having to get ele and resto pieces.
    My guild had this problem in three of our five runs in DS. By the end we had a new guild rule in place: "The hybrid people (Heal/DPS and Tank/DPS) get to roll Main Spec on both roles, provided they are actually showing up every week."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiea View Post
    Welcome to playing a hybrid class that is pretty competitive in terms of DPS. I had to do the same thing on my shaman and my paladin in previous tiers because I was just generally better than the other DPSers in much worse gear.

    You could just go look for another guild that is only recruiting a DPS but you will find that there are times you will be healing instead of DPSing. Also, roll another class that is only DPS like a mage or a warlock. Also 3rd, tell your guild you only want to DPS and see how that pans out, they could gkick you, no more raiding, or realize that you are only going to DPS, find another healer and you can go on your merry way.
    I think you missed his point, he does not want to dps at all. He wants to heal all the time.

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    really, if it's such a big deal to you, quit your guild. I would personally never recruit anyone that does not play whatever I tell them to play. Based on what you wrote, it is clear that your loyalties do not lie in your guild's well being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syridian View Post
    Not sure if moaning or bragging?

    We have several people in our team who readily swap specs for whatever reason (2 healer fights, 1 tank fights, going 4 DPS on Challenge modes etc) and they (and I) quite enjoy taking advantage of the versatility of being a hybrid class. Not sure why you don't?
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    This is a different matter, some fights do not demand 5-6 healers but like two, ofc other healers go dps then. That is one fight, you know for before, I would have no problem going dps for one, I think neither would the op. His point is mere that he has to dps this boss, heal that boss, dps this and heal that, making it harder for him to gear up and be behind everyone else. It's more the promise that they would have someone else go dps, so he could permanently be healer, they broke promise because others were crap. Those people should've been told to play properly and not have someone else take the punish.

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    1> You're a hybrid. Any decent hybrid player should be able to manage multiple roles. Yes, this means your guildmates who're crapping out on DPS should be working to fix that; their poor ability to swap roles is a reflection on them as a player, not their class.

    2> Any decent guild will do one of two things; either make you pick a "main spec" and have gear for that take priority (while ensuring off-spec gear gets funneled to you as it can be, when nobody else needs it for MS), or increase your gear quotient either through bonus DKP for multiple roles or the like. There's no reason whatsoever that you shouldn't finish your 4-set for a spec; whichever is your main focus should be getting the tier pieces first. Get LFR tier or the like for the secondary, and then upgrade them when you can. By the end of DS, I had close to full (H) 4-sets for Ele/Resto, and I was about halfway done with Enh, even though I never used it. My guild's not exactly hardcore, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edlike View Post
    You can put your foot down but that is not playing for the raid. I personally get the most satisfaction out of progressing with my raid group. That means so far I have geared up and played all 3 specs this xpack, first enh/resto and then ele/resto because blizzard tends to design encounters that punish melee.

    We encourage all of our players to play either 2 or all 3 of their specs as it allows for the maximum amount of flexibility in progression. If you don't want to play 2 roles maybe that's not the guild for you.
    Ofc, I do agree with you. I would gladly dps some fights in my guild, but I would gear up as Restoration mainly and would prefer to play as Restoration. There are fights you do not need that many healers, so it's a given you should have a dps offspec with the appropriate gear, but as I hate dps "as the op" I would be quiet if they would ask "which healer is going dps?"

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    Who pays for your account?

    I had similar, folk nagging me to go one spec` when I didn`t want to so refused to.

    Do what you want to enjoy, it`s your game/time/fun/money

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    guild achivements > personal dmg/heal meters achivements

    If you are needed to do both and there isnt anyone else that can do the job better than you , just put it on their face and say "I'm awesome b..thces"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaas View Post
    guild achivements > personal dmg/heal meters achivements

    If you are needed to do both and there isnt anyone else that can do the job better than you , just put it on their face and say "I'm awesome b..thces"
    That's one way of putting it. :P Or just say 'you people that can only play one spec sucks!' and I do not mean those people that only want to play one spec.

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    In TBC I was shadow but healed quite often. And in Wrath I was fury but tanked often enough (before the multi-spec option). So I paid for respecs every raid and sometimes multiple times during a raid to accommodate the guild. In return I was considered both specs and could get a drop for both specs as they were my "main" specs.

    The guild needs to reward you in some way or let you play the way you want. If not, do not raid or find another guild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylf View Post
    I think you missed his point, he does not want to dps at all. He wants to heal all the time.
    This, exactly.

    If there was a class that had 3 healing specs, I'd be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonaire View Post
    really, if it's such a big deal to you, quit your guild. I would personally never recruit anyone that does not play whatever I tell them to play. Based on what you wrote, it is clear that your loyalties do not lie in your guild's well being.
    Since I'm still in the guild, it's obvious where my loyalties lie indeed.

    Accusing me of not being loyal is ridiculous. I play this game to have fun. I have fun when I'm healing. I am having a little fun making fun of my other friends who I am out-dps'ing in healer gear but that's just more friendly teasing and not actually having active fun.

    I don't get pleasure in seeing a 120k lava burst crit. I get a ton of pleasure when I see tank suddenly drops low due to burst and my GHW crits and he jumps up to 90% hp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankitbetter View Post
    Then, I had to DPS for Spiritbinder and Spirit Kings. I don't really count spiritbinder because of the logs problem due to different realms - it showed me doing 50% of damage, lol. But for Spirit Kings, I did 56k dps and 2nd place was our rogue at 50k dps.

    It wasn't even close or pretty.

    And because I did so well on DPS while everyone else failed, I'm going to be stuck doing Ele/Resto for all eternity.
    It sounds like your dps raiders are bad, arn't rogues one of the lower dps classes atm?
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