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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    You don't really know much about the lore or have read any of the books have you?

    And pay attention to whats happening in the story if you want to really debate it. You can't tell people because you like a character there is nothing wrong with them. They are making Garrosh a villain now, who subjugates the rest of the horde, uses his power to force the horde into total war and sacrifice anyone who disagrees with him. He's a tyranical dictator who doesn't care for any other race except the horde.

    Why am I having to explain the facts to every Garrosh fan out there?
    I like Garrosh as in being Orc Warchief, I am not a Garrosh fanboy, dont'get me wrong, I liked Thrall alot more, but Garrosh is a real ORC warchief, yes it doesn't go well for the other races which is bad indeed.
    He is getting tyrannic ,but I state over and over, they can't just shit on the hellscream family.
    I haven't read any books because we can't get the Novels as far as I am aware in Holland which extremly stinks, and yes I do read up lore.... I'm not a retard and would not discuss if I dint know jack shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintank View Post
    Thrall is definetly older, Thrall was raised by humans and all that blah blah blah and Garrosh wasn't alive back then, atleast as far as I Know, let me put it like this, Thrall has WAY more life experience and shows alot older in my opinion.

    I just hope Garrosh doesnt get shit on and just slain, because I want him to keep going on as a character, they develop him into this, hopefully not to slay him off.
    And if he is older, more as a brother, don't recall where but somehwere thrall states "I will defend garrosh as my own, no matter what happends" and it was in WOTLK or early cata if I recall, and im quite sure they were working on a bit of MOP lore back then, so I doubt they just slay him off.
    Thrall is younger than garrosh, but when Thrall was here in Azeoth Garrosh was in Outland.

    I cant think of a way that Blizzard can redeem Garrosh without making a mess of the lore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdummy View Post
    Thrall is younger than garrosh, but when Thrall was here in Azeoth Garrosh was in Outland.

    I cant think of a way that Blizzard can redeem Garrosh without making a mess of the lore.
    Yeah just checked it up, he actually is, maybe I knew but just meh, Thrall looks and acts alot wiser and older, maybe it has to do with him being linked to the spirits and being alot wiser and thinking before he acts more often.
    As for redeeming, meh possibly but Sha is currently doing alot of things I think, but things will reveal I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintank View Post
    Yeah just checked it up, he actually is, maybe I knew but just meh, Thrall looks and acts alot wiser and older, maybe it has to do with him being linked to the spirits and being alot wiser and thinking before he acts more often.
    As for redeeming, meh possibly but Sha is currently doing alot of things I think, but things will reveal I guess.
    No see heres the thing, Garrosh has committed the acts of killing children, being a coward using a bomb to kill people on mass, setting up an assasination against Vol'jin and subjugating all those under him not because of the sha, or because of any other possession. He does it because thats who Garrosh really is.

    This whole debate feels like blizzard are telling people the facts about Garrosh, people like me and badhairday can see it, but guys like you can't see it, almost like your subconscious can't imagine it to be true. Why is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintank View Post
    I like Garrosh as in being Orc Warchief, I am not a Garrosh fanboy, dont'get me wrong, I liked Thrall alot more, but Garrosh is a real ORC warchief, yes it doesn't go well for the other races which is bad indeed.
    He is getting tyrannic ,but I state over and over, they can't just shit on the hellscream family.
    I haven't read any books because we can't get the Novels as far as I am aware in Holland which extremly stinks, and yes I do read up lore.... I'm not a retard and would not discuss if I dint know jack shit.
    So your definition of REAL Orc is the type of orc from 1st War Horde, which was controled by Blackhand through Gul'dan, who turned once noble, peaceful shamanic people into bloodthirsty black magic weilding monsters?

    Thrall is a REAL Orc because tried to steer the path of his people back to it's roots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadow View Post
    So your definition of REAL Orc is the type of orc from 1st War Horde, which was controled by Blackhand through Gul'dan, who turned once noble, peaceful shamanic people into bloodthirsty black magic weilding monsters?

    Thrall is a REAL Orc because tried to steer the path of his people back to it's roots.
    No I dint say that, but orcs are, as I said generally a bloodthirsty race also they like to be in control and all, Garrosh provides this, he tries the best for HIS people, the orcs, but to others, he aint kind, and THAT is what makes him so terribly bad atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    No see heres the thing, Garrosh has committed the acts of killing children, being a coward using a bomb to kill people on mass, setting up an assasination against Vol'jin and subjugating all those under him not because of the sha, or because of any other possession. He does it because thats who Garrosh really is.

    This whole debate feels like blizzard are telling people the facts about Garrosh, people like me and badhairday can see it, but guys like you can't see it, almost like your subconscious can't imagine it to be true. Why is that?
    Wrong, orcs are generally a bloodthirsty and violent race, he is an ORC warchief, I din't say a "perfect horde warchief", I liked how Blizzard build him up and I just think it sucks he is being ruined, I dont avoid the facts, right now yeah he is a bad ass, like actually bad, not as in badass, but doesn't mean blizzard can just kill off.
    Varian Wrynn is about as much of jack ass, and ppl dont want him dead, yeah ofcourse he dint kill a child and all, but even then, humans made alot of different mistakes that are similar, the whole enslavement of orcs and all was terrible and disgusting.
    But thats offtopic.

    I know Garrosh is shit right now, doesn't mean I cant like him for being an orc.

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    Varian Wrynn tries to restrain his anger, though. Garrosh embraces it, that's why people don't want to see Varian dead. Garrosh is DONE! ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badhairday View Post
    Varian Wrynn tries to restrain his anger, though. Garrosh embraces it, that's why people don't want to see Varian dead. Garrosh is DONE! ^^
    I know but Humans did about as horrible things as Garrosh, yeah okay a full race vs a character, true.

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    Vol'Jin is so bland and uninteresting with no charisma, making him warchief of the horde would be quite a retarded move, would be worse than re-electing Garrosh.

    But hey I wouldn't put it past Blizzard, they managed to fuck everything else up right?
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    As an Alliance player, I always hated trolls, but when I saw the conversation between Vol'jin and Garrosh, I learned to respect them.

    My guess is, if Thrall comes back to Orgrimmar and dont take the position of Warchief, I dont think Vol'jin will accept the job. The level of respect he has for Thrall is so high that we wont accept to lead while Thrall is alive. The first and only Warchief, for Vol'jin, is Thrall.

    That being said, I think that the next Warchief will be someone Thrall trust (if not him), and doesnt care to rule while Thrall is there. My first choice is Baine, as he is a good leader, low experienced but good, has the respect of Thrall for being the son of Cairne and friend of Anduin, at first he may say no too, but if he has to lead, then he'll accept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintank View Post
    I know but Humans did about as horrible things as Garrosh, yeah okay a full race vs a character, true.
    Nop.
    After what the Old Horde did, putting them in camps was actually pretty decent. A Garrosh-like leader would simply execute them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintank View Post
    No I dint say that, but orcs are, as I said generally a bloodthirsty race also they like to be in control and all, Garrosh provides this, he tries the best for HIS people, the orcs, but to others, he aint kind, and THAT is what makes him so terribly bad atm.

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    Wrong, orcs are generally a bloodthirsty and violent race, he is an ORC warchief, I din't say a "perfect horde warchief", I liked how Blizzard build him up and I just think it sucks he is being ruined, I dont avoid the facts, right now yeah he is a bad ass, like actually bad, not as in badass, but doesn't mean blizzard can just kill off.
    Varian Wrynn is about as much of jack ass, and ppl dont want him dead, yeah ofcourse he dint kill a child and all, but even then, humans made alot of different mistakes that are similar, the whole enslavement of orcs and all was terrible and disgusting.
    But thats offtopic.

    I know Garrosh is shit right now, doesn't mean I cant like him for being an orc.
    Like I say, you don't really understand much about the lore, the orcs history, what they were like before they were made into bloodthirsty savages. The orcs you are discribing is what the legion made them into, so it is not there true nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdpride View Post
    Nop.
    After what the Old Horde did, putting them in camps was actually pretty decent. A Garrosh-like leader would simply execute them all.
    If you want to win the war, Garrosh is the man for the job, let me put it like that.
    Not saying that its good though... its like throwing the atomic bombs on heroshima, I never agreed on that move in WW2 either....
    But indeed, but dont put The Old Horde's mistakes in the New Horde of thrall/garrosh, mainly the horde of thrall.

    As for Thrall become warchief, don't know, think he is done with it, not sure, I would really like it though but Baine might be an option or the Blood Elf guy, he is also hinted towards as in 'You would make a fine warchief my lord"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Like I say, you don't really understand much about the lore, the orcs history, what they were like before they were made into bloodthirsty savages. The orcs you are discribing is what the legion made them into, so it is not there true nature.
    Sigh, dude im not a retard, stop trying to indirectly state I am, I am not gonna even bother discussing if I do not know jack shit.
    I guess so yeah true but thats what orcs have been ever since and mostly known, let me put it like that okay? mister precise.

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    Not gonna happen

    Thrall is coming back

    It was his mistake to begin with and only he can rectify it

    Thrall gave garrosh the title as a temporary acting thing (my memory is a little hazy but im sure he said that during the hand over event in old org)

    Thrall is still the rightful heir of the horde it was doomhammer who gave him that title when he died and im not sure of the politics but im sure its a title for life

    The only orc that can bring everyone back together and even blizz let slip it would be him but have gone back on that when some stupid dev let it slip

    Weither you like or not Thrall is coming back as warchief of the horde if im wrong may a thousand hawt virgins jump up and down on my penis forever and ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combooticus View Post
    Not gonna happen

    Thrall is coming back

    It was his mistake to begin with and only he can rectify it

    Thrall gave garrosh the title as a temporary acting thing (my memory is a little hazy but im sure he said that during the hand over event in old org)

    Thrall is still the rightful heir of the horde it was doomhammer who gave him that title when he died and im not sure of the politics but im sure its a title for life

    The only orc that can bring everyone back together and even blizz let slip it would be him but have gone back on that when some stupid dev let it slip

    Weither you like or not Thrall is coming back as warchief of the horde if im wrong may a thousand hawt virgins jump up and down on my penis forever and ever
    Yeah knowing blizzard, there si a big chance it will be someone else though, but he actually gave the title to Garrosh, as he has to do other things, first it was temporary and then he decided to just give Warchief to him because he had way more important and other duties.
    And yeah I think Thrall would want to redeem "his horde" indeed but wether he does it by becoming Warchief or second in command, we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combooticus View Post
    Weither you like or not Thrall is coming back as warchief of the horde
    But he's like 90 years old and believes in god now.

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    I like Vol'Jin almost as much as I liked Thrall. Maybe I'm in the wrong Faction... (I HATE Wrynn...)
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    I'm sure the Alliance has never killed children as a result of their actions, in say, Taurajo or elsewhere in conflict, right? Don't be absurd. War is war. Varian is a complete douche cock, and he doesn't have the excuse of being an Orc.

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    After the release of those audio files im leaning more towards Lorth'emar Theron or even a council type leadership for the horde. IE the horde will become what the alliance was and the alliance will become what the horde was (i mean c'mon, this High King BS? REALLY? It makes me sick that they even have Tyrande calling Douche Chin "my King").
    they said somewhere that the new warchief would come down hard on Sylvannas and i just do not see Vol'jin doing that. Lorth'emar Theron is more likely to do it since his alliance with the forsaken due to Sylvannas is the reason that he and the Blood Elves got into the horde. And he states that he may need to revisit old alliances.

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