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Last edited by Seezer; 2012-10-16 at 06:23 AM.
Originally Posted by Boubouille
Let's add a new race to the equation: Hozen! Riko for Warchief!
He gets along with the Horde races he operates with, and he has a crush on an undead. Perfect!
thrall returning as the ORC warchief.
the "Leader of the Horde" title going to Vol'Jin, as he was the first friend and ally Thrall made in WC3. If not Vol'Jin, then possibly Rexxar.
The Alliance becoming huge d-bags in upcoming expac(s) due to all of the losses they've taken thus far, and their need for revenge/"justice." keeping the 'war' in warcraft, and pushing the overall story back to 2 rival factions instead of a good (Anduin and the Wrynnettes!) -vs- evil(Big Bad Garrosh) theme.
I think it would have to be an orc to rule the Horde. The capital city of the entire faction is Orgrimmar which is an orc city. I really really like the idea of Lorthemar or Vol'jin taking over the mantle, but that would cause problems:
Either a) the Horde capital would have to be relocated to the new leader's current city [which would cause all kinds of hell] or b) the new leader would have to 'move in' to Org... and be completely out of place.
Basically it HAS to be an orc. My vote has been and always will be Saurfang
If it was entirely left to Garrosh without Saurfang and the Horde players correcting his mistakes, the Horde would have failed miserably in Northrend.
ANDUIN doesn't die and becomes the warchief DUN DUN DUN~~~~~~
not sure if anyone have linked this yet. a copy of the conversation Vol'Jin and Garrosh had during the elemental invasion meeting.
perhaps a hint that Vol'Jin was a validate candidate for warchief next to Garrosh, and with Garrosh out of the picture?
Garrosh's image appears.
Image of Garrosh says: Don't talk back to me, troll. You know who was left in charge here. Haven't you stopped to ask yourself why Thrall chose me instead of you?
Vol'jin's image appears.
Image of Vol'jin says: Dere be no question why, Garrosh. He gave ya tha title because ya be Grom's Son and because tha people be wantin' a war hero.
Image of Vol'jin says: To which I tink ya be even more like ya father den he thought, even without ya havin' da demon blood.
Image of Garrosh says: You are lucky I don't gut you right here, whelp. You are foolish to think that you can speak to your Warchief in such ways.
Image of Vol'jin says: Ya be no Warchief of mine. Ya've not earned my respect and I'll not be seein' tha Horde destroyed by ya foolish thirst for war.
Image of Garrosh says: And what exactly do you think that you'll do about it? Your threats are hollow. Go slink away with the rest of your kind in the slums. I will endure your filth in my throne room no longer.
Image of Vol'jin says: I know exactly what I'll be doin' about it, son of Hellscream. I'll be watchin' as ya people slowly become aware of ya ineptitude. I'll laugh as dey grow ta despise ya as I do. And when tha time comes dat ya failure is complete and ya "power" is meaningless, I will be dere to end ya rule, swiftly and silently. Ya will spend ya reign glancin' over ya shoulda and fearin' tha shadows, for when tha time comes and ya blood be slowly drainin' out, ya will know exactly who fired da arrow dat pierced ya heart.
Image of Garrosh says: You have sealed your fate, troll.
Image of Garrosh spits at Vol'jin's feet.
Image of Vol'jin says: And you yours, "Warchief".
So in the end, even if Vol'jin becomes the new leader of Troll Empire, he'd still be part of Darkspear tribe.
Oh and also (SPOILER) things don't bode well for our troll. =S
Last edited by Turmoill; 2012-10-16 at 09:40 AM.
Thanks a bunch for the Signature, Cthulhu Ftagn.
I think Saurfang and Lor'themar should get married and rule as husband and wife
WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE'S A DUDE!?
As for the facts. The games storyline is based on the lore events in the novels. That part is true. Knowing that lore does not mean the ingame situations are always on par with the books. had you read what I said you would have seen that I pointed that out.
In game there was no event yet, that passed the power to Garrosh for good.
The "lore nerds" and I don't mean that disrespectful, rather the opposite, the lore nerds are a minority group. The average player just plays that game and goes with the events that happen in the game. If it was anywhere different the book authors would be millionaires and the WoW books would rule the book charts.
But as far as I know that isn't the case.
Do I know that Thrall passed the lead on already? Yes I do.. Does the GAME (read actual content) know that? NO!
From there, the doors are wide open for Blizzard to create in game content that leads to the as is situation to their likes.
There's also a tad too much emphasis on the books, put there by the lore fans. The books are novels, written by authors who are not part of Blizzards development team. They work with Blizzard in order to not stray too far from the lore Blizzard has in mind, and to get approval from Blizzard to use it's content. Which has to be the case, since everything related WoW (characters, terms, etc.) is copyrighted.
If I am not mistaken. Blizzard officials did state before that they incorporate the novels, but they don't fully follow them. It's Blizzard who makes the lore, not the novel writers. Blizzard just creates a symbiosis.
"I know what was said during the press tour, but don't be so sure yet that you know who the next warchief will be. The information provided during the press tour was... not entirely accurate."
That could mean no...but it could also mean it won't be Thrall....but Go'el. By saying not ENTIRELY accurate it sounds to me like he's saying part of it is accurate. They're being ambiguous about the warchief because they've already told us Garrosh is going down and don't want to spoil everything. Lets not get too carried away about one sentence statements, I mean damn..you guys really take things and run with them .
Also I'd be more inclined to believe what Metzen said compared to a forum blue. Also you seemed to take what some people said and turned it around to fit something else. No one that I read was implying that if Cairne had won the duel the orcs wouldn't respect him. What we're saying is if Thrall had given the title of Warchief to Cairne they wouldn't have. Plus we're saying that if Garrosh is killed by a large group and not a ritual duel then why should they respect whoever takes the role unless it's someone like Thrall or another orc like Saurfang? The orcs as a whole don't respect Voljin or Baine on that kind of scale and they would probably not only leave the other races behind but break down into individual clans again as well.
I mean, can you imagine what warcraft would have been like to begin with, if instead of developing this genre by there own ideas and initiative, they instead asked people randomly 'what do you think would make a great game series?'. Warcraft would have died in its early days if they had done, so they do they need to be so freaking appeasing to the crying kiddies who want it all there way?
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The kor'kron, who I use to think were alright, have proven to be violent bastards who care nothing for the bonds Thrall made with the other races, they are simply drones of a tyrant warchief now. So it makes me wonder, if the Kor'kron are going to be Garrosh's defenders in SoO, they will obviously die, so who will be the defenders of the horde if they are gone after mists.
Last edited by Trassk; 2012-10-16 at 11:29 AM.
Big thanks to Davillage for awesome signature
Zaryhm once said that the warchief would be someone we would not expect to be.
Being a forum mod, this might be a dull statement.
We know the community is divided in several president camps:
- Campfire for warchief
- Garrosh stays warchief with thrall supervision
- Thrall returns (likely imo)
- Voljin takes the seat (likely imo)
- A council will be created
- Sylvanas for the fanboys.
But lately we see lore progression of various horde leaders; Vol'jin and Lor'themar.
Vol'jin is a type of a leader that stays rather in the background and only jumps in when shit is about to get down.
Lor'themar on the other hand, was a pacifist. But now he is going to help the horde in Dalaran and he gets more annoyed by the Alliance than before.
- Zaela: she can get closer to Garrosh to secretely kill him since Garrosh definitely has his eyes on her :>
- Anduin becomes forsaken and he is determined to stop the alliance. Because Lor'themar speaks with him about the true existence of the Horde is because of the Alliance?
- A (random?) orc will take over.
- Baine gets appointed.
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