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    Question [intel i5/i7] please help decide which bundle to go for?

    Hi, I'm planning to upgrade from my current 2years old PC, atm just thinking of upgrading everything except GPU, since I'm using GTX 480, which I most likely will go SLI with some other card, atm want to find decent build to play most high-end games with 60+ FPS (bf3 / cs:go / MoP / etc) on high to ultra settings.

    My current build is
    Intel Quad Q8300 2.5ghz
    4gb RAM which is DDR-2...
    motherboard one of old ones, which don't support i3/5/7
    GTX 480 1.5gb ddr-5

    currently found few bundles to choose from, feel free to suggest any other website if there are cheaper or better setup with decent price. (UK or EU sellers)

    1. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=2384&subcat= 312£
    2. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=2384&subcat= 340£
    3. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=2384&subcat= 350£
    4. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=2384&subcat= 384£
    5. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=2384&subcat= 398£
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    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
    CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-C14 CPU Cooler (£59.98 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£125.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£41.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
    Total: £395.95
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

    Better cooler, better motherboard, better RAM than the most expensive package, and it costs less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
    CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-C14 CPU Cooler (£59.98 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£125.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£41.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
    Total: £395.95
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

    Better cooler, better motherboard, better RAM than the most expensive package, and it costs less.
    Haven't heard before about such website PcPartPicker

    Since you use 2.5k i5, whats the difference between 2.5k and 3.570k versions, prices shouldn't have to be a huge gap between those 2?

    Also can you recommend maybe great cooling case and if I go SLI with my current GTX 480, will my Antec TruePower New 650W Modular PSU be short to run 2 GPUs and such or similar setup as you recommended?



    /edit

    also Scan.co.uk your recommended setup sells for £364.91 , which you prefer overclockers or scan or neither?

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    not sure about benchmark part, are those high enough to run BF3 on ultra with smooth 60+ fps?
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    Hardly any difference, no PCI-E 3.0 support (not noticeable without quad-SLI 7970 Ghz eds/680s/two 690s), bit lower performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K1boRG View Post
    Haven't heard before about such website PcPartPicker

    Since you use 2.5k i5, whats the difference between 2.5k and 3.570k versions, prices shouldn't have to be a huge gap between those 2?

    Also can you recommend maybe great cooling case and if I go SLI with my current GTX 480, will my Antec TruePower New 650W Modular PSU be short to run 2 GPUs and such or similar setup as you recommended?
    The difference between a 2,5k and 3.570k is that the 2,5k you can clock to 5,0 GHZ ( Since you get the Noctua I recommend at least somewhere 4,6 ish ) While with the 3.570k you can maybe push is to 4,2-4,3k before hitting 3 digits numbers. Of coures though a 4,2-4,3k 3570k is better than a 4,5 2500k, But since the gap of OC if further away ( meaning you can OC your 2500k to easy 4,8k, the 2500k is superior IMO.

    The ivy bridges is a complete turn off, slightly better, but less OC possiblity and higher temps ( unless you got a water kit for 500 bucks, which i doubt.
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    also Scan.co.uk your recommended setup sells for £364.91 , which you prefer overclockers or scan or neither?
    I used the overclockers prices because you linked that site. Of course you should go with the cheapest prices available. I would order from 4 different shops if it saved me a tenner

    not sure about benchmark part, are those high enough to run BF3 on ultra with smooth 60+ fps?
    With a GTX 480, probably.

    Also can you recommend maybe great cooling case and if I go SLI with my current GTX 480, will my Antec TruePower New 650W Modular PSU be short to run 2 GPUs and such or similar setup as you recommended?
    650W is not enough for SLI 480s. If you are getting a new GPU, get a new GPU not an old one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    I used the overclockers prices because you linked that site. Of course you should go with the cheapest prices available. I would order from 4 different shops if it saved me a tenner



    With a GTX 480, probably.



    650W is not enough for SLI 480s. If you are getting a new GPU, get a new GPU not an old one.
    Is it possible to SLI with 2 different cards, for example GTX 480 with GTX 660Ti or something similar, or both SLI cards have to be same model?

    Well, 2x 480 GTX would be power hungry, since one is already beast, comparing to my previous cards, also this one is loud on 75C+ (asus model)

    Is there higher performance setup available under 400£ or the one you recommended me is already overkill for under 370£ ?
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    They have to be the same model. You should also pair cards with the same amount of vRAM. Two 480s will run to around 600-650W on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    They have to be the same model. You should also pair cards with the same amount of vRAM. Two 480s will run to around 600-650W on their own.
    this is weird, I remember some guy running GTX 480 as main card and SLI with GTX 260, if I remember right, for PhsyX ,now I'm wondering... glad that I didn't bought any new GPU yet, otherwise I would need to sell it or sell my 480 then.

    What about sandybridge vs ivybridge and Z68 motherboards vs Z77,basically, main difference is price and USB3.0 and that's pretty much it?
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    That isn't SLI, that is just running a card specifically for PhysX calculations.

    Get a Z77 motherboard, they all support the IB processors out of the box, many P67 and Z68 motherboards require a BIOS flash to support Ivy Bridge processors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    That isn't SLI, that is just running a card specifically for PhysX calculations.

    Get a Z77 motherboard, they all support the IB processors out of the box, many P67 and Z68 motherboards require a BIOS flash to support Ivy Bridge processors.
    read some reviews about 3570k vs 2500k, 3570k seems to be problem with cooling, that's main reason why 2500k is easier to OC to even 5ghz, have you heard anything regarding that, I'm most likely will go with one which is cooler, since I'm going with air cooling. Also for some reason 2500k eats 95w while 3570k only 77w, is that the reason, why 2500k can handle heat better?

    /edit question regarding i5 vs i7, i5 is cheaper and has similar performance to i7 processors which cost over 200+£, for current high end games, i7 is waste of money regarding to i5 xK OC series?
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    You can get higher clock speeds out of SB, but an IB that is clocked 200-300 MHz lower will have the same performance. As long as you don't go crazy with vCore you don't need to worry about the temperatures with air cooling.
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    2500k vs 3570k:
    - At stock speeds (3.3GHz vs. 3.4GHz), the IB is slightly faster (100MHz more and a little better performance per clock) and produced less heat.
    - But as you raise the clock, the IB power consumption goes up faster than that of SB. So i would say, that somewhere around 4GHz, both are equal in terms of heat.
    - If you go higher still, IB very fast reaches a threshold where you just can't push more without raising Vcore very high, which on the other hand catapults your heat through the roof.

    P.S.:
    Statements like "2500k will easily reach 5GHz" and "3570k only goes up to 4.2GHz" are exaggerated to say the least. To reach 5GHz with a 2500k you need to be lucky to get a good chip, most will top out at 4.8-4.9GHz. And a 3570k can fairly well reach 4.4-4.5GHz but seldom higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biernot View Post
    2500k vs 3570k:
    - At stock speeds (3.3GHz vs. 3.4GHz), the IB is slightly faster (100MHz more and a little better performance per clock) and produced less heat.
    - But as you raise the clock, the IB power consumption goes up faster than that of SB. So i would say, that somewhere around 4GHz, both are equal in terms of heat.
    - If you go higher still, IB very fast reaches a threshold where you just can't push more without raising Vcore very high, which on the other hand catapults your heat through the roof.

    P.S.:
    Statements like "2500k will easily reach 5GHz" and "3570k only goes up to 4.2GHz" are exaggerated to say the least. To reach 5GHz with a 2500k you need to be lucky to get a good chip, most will top out at 4.8-4.9GHz. And a 3570k can fairly well reach 4.4-4.5GHz but seldom higher.
    Exactly! And even if someone does get it up to 5ghz, there's going to be little to no performance gains beyond 4.5.
    But for oc. I'd got for the 2500k. If you're doing little to no clocking, get the 3570k.

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    Well I'm unsure how stock clocks will work in high end games, if everything would be quite smooth, I wouldn't need to push CPU just for the numbers. I know, the higher - the better, but don't want to cook up CPU also and I do prefer silent PCs over loud due to cooling, atm need to find some solution with my GTX 480, since it becomes loud at 75C, but I have old CPU, so I believe that's also downside, why GPU is heating up quite fast or I'm wrong about that?
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    It won't really affect noise if you OC your CPU with a good aftermarket cooler, the 4xx series is known to become incredibly hot during load times, have you tried opening it up, remove the dust and reapply thermal paste on it?
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    only cleaned dust, it used to stay idle at 65C, now its 50-55C, but I didn't reapplied thermal paste, because I don't know where really to put it, I know where CPU needs to put it, but unsure about GPUs, also don't want to break warranty, if it requires to open parts which I'm not suppose to open within warranty period.
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    got question regarding RAM, since most of builds I've seen are using DDR3-1600 ones, anything above them is waste of money? For example 1866 / 2000 / 2133 ?


    Also was wondering about these motherboards, if mother board support 1155 socket and basically got almost same features, but for example 1 such motherboard cost 60£ while other 150£, why such price range with almost same product?
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    Question Advice needed: Motherboards

    Hi, I'm going to upgrade my current setup, so far I'm going with i5 3570k processor and now I'm looking for Mobo, but it's kinda confuse me, prices differ a lot but mobo's are almost same. I'm planning to go SLI / XFIRE later, atm using single Asus GTX 480.

    I find these two mobo's almost even, only changes RAM support and RAID (what is this, I don't even know) support.

    http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/part/asus...d-p8z77vdeluxe £181

    http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/part/asus...board-p8z77vlk £96

    Most likely, I'll go with 1600 memory, but if someone could explain if 1866 and up are really that needed?

    Building setup which can handle smooth Battlefield 3 and high end games on high to ultra.
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    More expensive motherboard usually do not offer higher performance compared to cheaper ones. They differentiate just in features, which often are useless for the average person.
    In general the main difference between those two boards is, that the Deluxe sacrifices older connectors/ports for newer ones:
    - All PCIe slots vs. 2 PCI slots
    - less USB2 internal connectors
    - more USB3 ports
    - No VGA or DVI connector
    - 2 eSATA ports
    - 2 additional SATA 6GB ports
    - 1 additional LAN port
    - Onboard WLAN and Bluetooth

    If you have to decide, what board you want/need, then you need to evaluate if you need any of the features on the Deluxe board. Most of the time you can answer the question with "No!".
    The differences you spotted are probably just errors in the description, because both boards have the same chipset, meaning they have the same RAM support. And both are capable of RAID***.

    *** RAID means to combine more then one HDD/SSD into a single Volume/Partition to either increase capacity, speed or data safety.
    Raid 0:
    - 2 discs or more
    - you get the full capacity of all discs
    - increases speed because all drives are used to read/write at the same time (the data is distributed between the discs)
    - reduced reliability, because if one drives fails, data on all drives is lost.

    Raid 1:
    - 2 discs or more (but usually only 2 discs)
    - you only get the capacity of one disc
    - increases data safety, because the same data is written on all drives. If one drives fails, you just need to replace it and the raid controller automatically restores the data from the other drives.

    Raid 10:
    - at least 4 drives (must be an even number of drives)
    - combination of Raid 1 and 0: A Raid 0 configuration is mirrored.
    - Useful if you need speed but don't want to lose data safety.

    Raid 5:
    - at least 3 discs
    - you lose the capacity of one disc
    - guards against the failure of one drive
    - data storage is distributed via a clever algorithm between all discs with some redundancy.

    Raid 6:
    - at least 5 discs (less is theoretically possible, but would not make any sense)
    - same as Raid 5, but with the redundancy of two discs.

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