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  1. #1001
    Quote Originally Posted by Methusula View Post
    You have such bad gear for your progression! I'm not trying to crack on you. Did you just recently start raiding again or what? Your crit is super low and your gear is very mastery heavy. Looks like you are using Reforgelite's default stat weights. I use it myself but I edit it for haste breakpoints and essentially just to cap hit as efficiently as possible.

    Reforginging to haste after crit up until you get to 5036 haste is the most widely accepted method of reforging, going for mastery after you reach that haste threshold. You can plug haste thresholds into ReforgeLite, or just use the addon to prioritize haste after crit.

    Gemming and enchanting look good, although you will really want the Sinister Primal Diamond for your meta gem asap.
    Yep, ive only just started raiding again 3 weeks ago. Im nowhere near the legendary meta yet, but im getting it asap (im upto the 3k valor part)

    Yeah, im pretty sure its just the default weights for Reforgelite, do i change it under advanced weights? (Hit > Crit > Haste[at least 5036] > Mastery)

    EDIT: Im also picking up Engineering for the Synapse Springs too, so that should help a bit with dps.

    Thanks for the advice!
    Last edited by Insomlol; 2013-07-01 at 11:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insomlol View Post
    do i change it under advanced weights? (Hit > Crit > Haste[at least 5036] > Mastery)
    Exactly. Like I said, I mostly use it to optimize reforges around caps. So making sure I'm not wasting stats by being over hit cap, and not too far over for the haste breakpoint.

  3. #1003
    Quote Originally Posted by Methusula View Post
    Exactly. Like I said, I mostly use it to optimize reforges around caps. So making sure I'm not wasting stats by being over hit cap, and not too far over for the haste breakpoint.
    Awesome thanks.

    With my gear, should i be worried about the haste cap, or should i concentrate on getting my crit upto say 40% self buffed first, then moving towards haste as the gear comes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insomlol View Post
    Awesome thanks.

    With my gear, should i be worried about the haste cap, or should i concentrate on getting my crit upto say 40% self buffed first, then moving towards haste as the gear comes?
    You always max crit. The focus for this discussion is what to prioritize after crit, which is haste up to 5036. If you can't reach 5036 without sacrificing crit, don't do it.

  5. #1005
    Quote Originally Posted by Insomlol View Post
    Awesome thanks.

    With my gear, should i be worried about the haste cap, or should i concentrate on getting my crit upto say 40% self buffed first, then moving towards haste as the gear comes?
    Depends how close you are with full crit reforge, if its only like 100 rating, then sure go for it, but if its way out there, I think the loss of crit will result in more grey hairs if nothing else. And at 40% selfbuffed, you should have enough stat budged to clear the 5100 hit, reforge full crit and still get 5036 haste. So you will reach the haste when you reach it pretty much, it's just after that point that you might want to start looking at mastery.

  6. #1006
    Quote Originally Posted by Methusula View Post
    You always max crit. The focus for this discussion is what to prioritize after crit, which is haste up to 5036. If you can't reach 5036 without sacrificing crit, don't do it.
    Thanks alot! Your input and feedback is greatly appreciated.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrgreenthump View Post
    Depends how close you are with full crit reforge, if its only like 100 rating, then sure go for it, but if its way out there, I think the loss of crit will result in more grey hairs if nothing else. And at 40% selfbuffed, you should have enough stat budged to clear the 5100 hit, reforge full crit and still get 5036 haste. So you will reach the haste when you reach it pretty much, it's just after that point that you might want to start looking at mastery.
    I will take a look when i get home at my values, i dont think i come anywhere close to 5036 haste, but that was with reforgelite default figures.

    Thanks!

  7. #1007
    Quote Originally Posted by Methusula View Post
    You always max crit. The focus for this discussion is what to prioritize after crit, which is haste up to 5036. If you can't reach 5036 without sacrificing crit, don't do it.
    no, after 3056 go mastery til you can reach 5036, combustion damage>0.00001s faster cast

  8. #1008
    Quote Originally Posted by voltaa View Post
    no, after 3056 go mastery til you can reach 5036, combustion damage>0.00001s faster cast
    Sorry, do you mean 3056 or 5036?

    I changed the weights, and if i goto 5036 haste, then it drops me to 23% mastery (from 27%) Ill test that out tonight and see how we go

  9. #1009
    Quote Originally Posted by Insomlol View Post
    Sorry, do you mean 3056 or 5036?

    I changed the weights, and if i goto 5036 haste, then it drops me to 23% mastery (from 27%) Ill test that out tonight and see how we go
    if you can reach 5036, go 5036, if not go 3056 then mastery is what i meant

  10. #1010
    WHAT IS OPTIMUM LEVEL TO SWITCH TO FIRE PVE RAIDING?

    Currently a 516 Frost Mage, for both remainder of 5.3 and 5.4 at what ilevel does Fire become convincingly better than Frost? ie. when should I switch? If this is already answered I couldn't find it. thanks

  11. #1011
    Quote Originally Posted by jocko1972 View Post
    WHAT IS OPTIMUM LEVEL TO SWITCH TO FIRE PVE RAIDING?

    Currently a 516 Frost Mage, for both remainder of 5.3 and 5.4 at what ilevel does Fire become convincingly better than Frost? ie. when should I switch? If this is already answered I couldn't find it. thanks
    Not so much your itemlevel but yout crit rating and 2 int proc trinkets.

  12. #1012
    Quote Originally Posted by jocko1972 View Post
    WHAT IS OPTIMUM LEVEL TO SWITCH TO FIRE PVE RAIDING?

    Currently a 516 Frost Mage, for both remainder of 5.3 and 5.4 at what ilevel does Fire become convincingly better than Frost? ie. when should I switch? If this is already answered I couldn't find it. thanks
    If you want a really simple answer, it's around 38-39% crit rating, and with normal trinkets. Higher if you don't have 4pc T15 (./sob)

    If you want a more complicated answer - it depends. If you have some boss trinkets, the meta gem, and can reach high levels of haste AND while also being able to take advantage of NT/LB snapshotting at a high level (aka you're a really fucking good frost mage) people have played through 5.3 as frost just fine.

    I'd say once you're nearly in BiS heroic gear, however, the ability for superior play to keep the gap closed / close between Fire and Frost will decrease significantly.

  13. #1013
    Any update on what the best offpiece is?

    Earlier I thought it was agreed that the Horridon head piece was the best, but some people like Kuznam are going for the Primordius chest off piece.

  14. #1014
    Quote Originally Posted by MattRas View Post
    Any update on what the best offpiece is?

    Earlier I thought it was agreed that the Horridon head piece was the best, but some people like Kuznam are going for the Primordius chest off piece.
    Horridon head is BiS, Kuznam is using the robe beacuse he hasn't got the head yet (according to Vykina) but the difference is really small although the tier chest is really god cuz of 3 gems.

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    Thanks! I'll keep that in mind

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    Quick question, I can obtain another 1.2% crit by losing 1k spell power, is it worth it? Or should I keep the spellpower? I'd be at 37.5% crit and 25090 spellpower by doing this, or 36.3% crit and 26,120 spellpower by not doing it.

  17. #1017
    Quote Originally Posted by lydude View Post
    Quick question, I can obtain another 1.2% crit by losing 1k spell power, is it worth it? Or should I keep the spellpower? I'd be at 37.5% crit and 25090 spellpower by doing this, or 36.3% crit and 26,120 spellpower by not doing it.
    A dumb answer for a dumb question. Don't play fire at that crappy gear. End of story.

    Infracted.
    Last edited by Shangalar; 2013-07-07 at 05:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numbnutt422 View Post
    A dumb answer for a dumb question. Don't play fire at that crappy gear. End of story.
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    Don't respond if you don't have anything useful to say.

  19. #1019
    Quote Originally Posted by lydude View Post
    Quick question, I can obtain another 1.2% crit by losing 1k spell power, is it worth it? Or should I keep the spellpower? I'd be at 37.5% crit and 25090 spellpower by doing this, or 36.3% crit and 26,120 spellpower by not doing it.
    How would you do that? Ignoring socket bonuses etc? Downgrade your weapon to a weapon with crit but with less spellpower? In both scenarios no, don't do that.

  20. #1020
    Quote Originally Posted by ballong View Post
    How would you do that? Ignoring socket bonuses etc? Downgrade your weapon to a weapon with crit but with less spellpower? In both scenarios no, don't do that.
    My guess is it has something to do with trinkets, Cha-ye vs some Int trinket?... But ye he dont explain much.

    @lydude He may have said it in a rude way. But he's got a point, fire at that gear lvl is not so good, frost is better until at least 38% crit, pref. 40+. And your question is kind of "dumb" as it should be self explanatory(even for a guide) that 1k spell power is better than 1.2% crit.. Sometimes you just reap what you sow.
    Last edited by stX3; 2013-07-07 at 04:01 PM.

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