In short; you have the time, you just don't want to bother.
In short; you have the time, you just don't want to bother.
PvE players (that don't raid heroic modes):
Repair cost? Very little. Only a handful of wipes each tier from LFR, soloing and LFD.
Gems, reforging and enchants? Changing their full set of gear happens maybe once or twice every tier, and hardly all of these type of players buys the most expensive gems and enchants simply because they don't need it.
Flasks, food buffs and potion expenses? None. Seeing a player using a flask for random BGs happen more often than seeing a player using it in LFR (assuming he/she isn't hunting wol ranks and therefore isn't a non-serious raider).
Gold income? If you sum up all the gold a player earns through PvE and daily questing activity through a tier (excluding leveling) I'd say most players will at least hit 10k gold.
PvE players (that do raid heroic modes):
Repair cost? A lot.
Expenses from raiding? A ton at the start of the expansion if you are very hardcore. Very little actually any other time of the expansion (other than a handful of BoE BiS-pre heroic drops). And if you aren't that hardcore, your expenses aren't very high either. Like, if you are playing in a top 1500 guild, chances are that you will be fully covered in normal/heroic gear from loot drops by the time you are facing a real gear check cockblock.
Income? Well if you are raiding during farm there's a great possibility of selling loot drops/vanity stuff. Personally I earned quite a big share from selling Ragnaros mounts, and even though I didn't raid during Dragon Soul it was still very much possible to log in on my alt with zero DS progress and boost people on half of the heroic modes (rest on normal) and earn 60-80k gold for 1 hour play time.
Expenses from reforging, enchants and gems? 1-2 each tier (+off specs). You need the best avialable, despite the price cost, so this will sum up to a much higher price than what a non-raider's expenses.
Repair cost? Very little. One shouldn't lose durability from PvE'ing or taking fall damage in BGs though.
Income? None. It was possible to sell boosts in Tbc (yay, being able to afford epic flying) however, but it was changed when personal rating decided your arena points gain.
Conclusion? As a non-raider you will earn a lot of gold simply by gathering the pre-normal mode gear (which most casual players strive for). I don't know any of these type of players that doesn't earn a surplus of gold each tier (with their expenses being spent elsewhere).
Serious raiders get to do what they are best and earn money by doing that. Selling boosts is very effective once content has been nerfed. There's very little room for boosting in PvP (other than maybe RBGs), but because of how mmr and personal rating is designed, it is not very effective to boost someone in PvP.
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Lets say you play for 2 hours a day.
You want to do arenas for the majority of those two hours. Arena queues right now are at max 1-3 minutes. That's not a whole lot of time to scavenge a zone for mining nodes.
I agree, hence why I think Blizzard needs to expand the amount of things purchasable with honor points - enchantments, gems, and perhaps even repairing with Honor.
Soothing Mist:"Healing them for a minor amount every 0.5 sec, until you take any other action."
Jade Serpent Statue: "The statue will also begin casting Soothing Mist on your target. healing for 50% as much as yours. "
[What's half of minor?]
"Statue casts Soothing Mist at a nearby ally for toddler healing."
Add objective dailys for BG or something
OP has a good point actually. It's garbage that you have to do what Blizzard tells you to in order to be rewarded on this game. For instance, I really enjoy afking in Orgrimmar, or just mindlessly jumping around on things in the city.
I'm not into PvE and I don't wanna run dailys everyday, professions just aren't my thing and I just don't have the patience for playing the auction house. So whenever I'm doing my thing, just afking in Orgrimmar or talking in guild chat, it really pisses me off that there isn't some sort of monetary reward for this. It's what I enjoy doing in the game and there should be some way to make money from doing what I enjoy.
Maybe if they introduced a system where you got, say, 50 gold for each lap of Orgrimmar, or even 10 gold per minute that you spend standing there it would add some more incentive for people like me. I put time and effort into afking in Orgrimmar, I should be rewarded for it!
1 night of wipes (not a hardcore raid) - 4 hours
Flasks? 4 x at least ~175g == 700g
Repairs? Let's say ~25 wipes at least, multipled by 10% each wipe is let's say 2 and half "full repairs. A "full" repair based on the gear you have can reach up to 120-150g. Let's say 2.5 x 120g ~= 300g
Let's say a random boss in there, Feng the Accursed, drops 332g (in 10M), that's roughly 33g/person on NORMAL mode.
1000g - 33g = 967g deficit / night / raider
So how's that PvP thingie treating you?
You get to repair after you play those 8 arena matches you need to win?
Educate the community: X-Perl is dead. Stop using it!
As a raider i have to invest a lot of time into farming.
Basically this tier i could be forced to enchant 5+ items on the same slot. The only way i get them is by farming.
Don't forget, the Black Prince dailies in 5.1 are going to incorporate PvP for their completion.
Although I agree that PvP'ers should do dailies too if they're that frustrated about getting gold from dailies, I can also see them not wanting to grind more mobs / items just for that.
Just see dailies as a way to farm rep so you can get the mounts / tabards. Also, you can probably change the valor into a quick fix of Conquest soon.
"It’s now very common to hear people say, ‘I’m rather offended by that.’ As if that gives them certain rights; it’s actually nothing more. It’s simply a whine. It’s no more than a whine. ‘I find that offensive,’ it has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. ‘I am offended by that.’ Well, so fucking what?”
If you PvP, you do not need to spend any gold on your PvP. You can get everything from honor. Enchant mats, gear, gems.
If you want anything other than that you are gonna have to play the AH or gather or something along those lines.
I don't like pvp, so I have no other way to get conq / honor points Blizzard should make pve content that rewards that. Just cause I don't like PvP, doesn't mean I don't want the same rewards. :<
.. But seriously, you're claiming playing pve is the only way to earn gold. I'm sure a lot of AH players on these forums disagree with you. Farming and doing dailies is not even close to being the easiest way to make gold in this game, so your claim to pve is wrong. And if you're bad at the opportunities presented to you, I don't see how that is blizzards fault.
If you don't enjoy dailies, make money through professions. You can't just come here and whine why aren't you making 1k gold a day just for a dozen arena matches. It doesn't work that way. Everyone that has a significant amount of gold in their pockets will tell you that it is a hard grind to make some serious money. Of course raiders will always be rewarded with more money, because *newsflash* raiding costs a lot. Constant reforges, talent respecs, gems with every new piece of gear, flasks, potions, food, repairs, the list goes on. What exactly do you spend on your PvP?