Ummm, aren't those the unlocks for F2P people to get beyond what they get as F2P? (like the expanded inventory) It's not like subscription people would need to buy those things, unless I missed something big. To reiterate my point basically isn't this exactly what they said it was going to be?
The first quote in my post is just ... meh, cant comment on it anymore. I feel like the only thing Bioware can do right now to please these people are to make everything free and the only things subscribers get are mounts or pets or something, but I guess even then they will complain about the outrageous limitations f2p players have to suffer through...
There is a difference between that and unrestricted.
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What I understood from the first few posts is that F2P get 2 default bars and the other 2 will need to be purchased, that I could understand but how you described it seems like either the first posters are uninformed or just complaining for the sake of it.
inb4 being called die hard swtor fanboy
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People treat the restrictions as egregious acts almost akin to skinning puppies. When 1.5 hits, anyone will be able to download the game and play up to 50 for free. All the planets, classes, and class quests are yours to explore and enjoy. You won't even have to pay for the game client. Taa-daa! Bioware is giving you something they didn't have to. But everyone jumps in to piss on their parade because they can't do what they want to do in the game WITHOUT PAYING. Free game client + no income because everyone can do whatever they want for free = no more game. If you WANT to play the game a certain way that isn't available to non-subscribers, you gotta pay or sub up. If that's too big of a hurdle for you, go play spider solitaire or something.
- Not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent.
- (of a company) Not limited.\
Definition of UNLIMITED
: lacking any controls : unrestricted <unlimited access>
: boundless, infinite <unlimited possibilities>
: not bounded by exceptions : undefined
[uhn-lim-i-tid] Show IPA
adjective1.not limited; unrestricted; unconfined: unlimited trade.
2.boundless; infinite; vast: the unlimited skies.
3.without any qualification or exception; unconditional
Do we need more than three sources to confirm the meaning of this word?
Anyway, since this thread was about paying for quickbars under the assumption that non-subscribers would be disadvantaged from the current status quo of 4 bars was inaccurate (and let's face it, 6 is overkill...72 hotkeys??), I'd say this discussion is resolved. Perhaps a mod could second that?
I'm sorry, but we certainly didn't know that's what he meant. He was talking like it was a gift to everyone and they should be grateful. I didn't realize he just meant you can do it for any time period. That's not really a selling point.
That wasn't my intent at all.
I was saying that we've all managed to this point with 4 hotbars. Now they're adding 2 more, which to me are pointless anyways, and I'm guessing the vast majority of people won't have use for 6 hotbars. I only use 4 now, only ever used 4 in WOW.
That was my point. I used the Top 3 DPS only as a reference to the fact that I can get it done without 6 hotbars. Sorry.
I will quote myself from massively.joystiq.com
Honestly it makes me sad.. the fact what EA and BIOWARE (yes this is also their own fault) have done.Is it just me.. or should all of these items have been their for the customers currently.. it almost makes me sad for the people who spend 5 months 15 euros a month on a game that promised us gods.. but handed them rats.
Ah well the last spasms of a dying game right there.
*looks for something to put the thing out of its misery*
And i mean it that i wont ever buy another game from them. They in recent years have disappointed me time and time again, with SWTOR being the biggest disappointment.
The fact how patches where handled, the way community interaction was handled, the way the amount of content was handled etc etc.
Its just .. yes pathetic..
I honestly have no good words left for it, only that i hope this will be the first MMORPG in years that goes F2P and still fail so badly..
To be more on topic:
I find it a bad choise.. just like the fact they want to monitize hiding helmets. Its stinks of greed all around, with trying to squeeze every drop of money out of consumers pockets.
I have no problems with clothes, mounts, pets, new raids, new warzones, new content.
But trying to monitize core aspects of an MMORPG.. is just silly.
And before somebody says i am hating, no i am just disappointed. In how this game has turned out, how bioware has changed. And how little they seem to care.
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Funny the turn this thread took. Anyone still pushing the original "intent" of it is simply bitter. Lock get.
I quit the game, and this happens:
"You can now mount while under the skeleton effect of the Noggenfogger Elixir!"
Are you effing kidding me?!?!
another spastic attempt to fill some peoples void with anger over a game they don't care about.... OMG QUICKBARS MONETIZED!!!!!! (damn they talk about the two additional one )
Its clear some of you do not like the game- great - the game isn't for everyone, but please stop with the constant flaming and bashing of the game because that does not get any of us anywhere. We all knew from the beginning that the F2P options would extremely limit those who chose to partake in it. Stop acting shocked and surprised about something you already knew about just to have the opportunity to continue bashing SWTOR.
And FYI, for people to be angry over something, they have to care about it. My disappointment/borderline anger over some of the stuff in WoW and SWTOR (Which I don't play either one right now) are because I care about the games. The same goes for my disappointment or anger over some of the things in the games I do play as well.
i played swtor, I cleared the HM modes in the first month of release .... I couldnt fill 2 quick bars with abilities, so god knows who will buy this, and why anyone would be annoyed about it
- max of 2 characters
- max level 50
- no access to raids
- limited access to the ah
- no cargo bay
But that they go as far as making people pay for the option to not show a helm.. yeah then you are pushing it. Like some people pointed out its the same format as SEO uses. Which is "arguably" not viable in a world where games like gw2 exist. I really would have expected them to go for a more decent approach to it all.
Yes in the end i should not have been surprised. Still doesn't make me less disappointed in the whole ordeal.
Simply put, this was their opportunity to show to people what swtor is and draw people in. Having a proper f2p model, and not a model which only goal is to:
A: ruin the games fun / limit to the extreme to new players, and simply only make them visit to do the class story from 1-50 to quit afterwards
B: draw a small % in of those people who reach 50 to explore the new content.
I hope for them they are able to deliver the content because i am really not having high hopes anymore. In the end dont see my previous post as angry just for me this was another confirmation. To what has happened since 1.1.
I do have one question, for the people currently paying ( reading though massively.joystiq.com ) am i correct in reading current subscribers are not getting any legitimate new content except a store?
So, how about them addons and macros?
Or chat bubbles.
Or sitting in chairs.