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    lolol I've read this whole thread and I love those 10man raiders that keep coming back for more, funny how adamant they with the opinion of 10mans being the paragon of difficulty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volitar View Post
    lolol I've read this whole thread and I love those 10man raiders that keep coming back for more, funny how adamant they with the opinion of 10mans being the paragon of difficulty.
    As opposed to the 25 man raiders that treat 10 man raiders as second class citizens?
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    Make it for EU/US
    I finally have guild running 25 raised from 10 (uber pain to make 25man in late Cata) so I would like to laugh to all who though I was mad to make 25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volitar View Post
    lolol I've read this whole thread and I love those 10man raiders that keep coming back for more, funny how adamant they with the opinion of 10mans being the paragon of difficulty.
    And I think it's hilarious that you generalize like that when you fit the opposite stereotype so well yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmeh View Post
    And I think it's hilarious that you generalize like that when you fit the opposite stereotype so well yourself.
    What is your opinion of LFR and normals sharing a lockout?
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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  6. #166
    I would appreciate this change for all regions.

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    gogogogo give it on EU/US, great changes;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    What is your opinion of LFR and normals sharing a lockout?
    It has positives and negatives. It's pretty handy for getting key pieces eluding you on normal or heroic, or pieces that you have competition for. On the other hand, I wouldn't be upset if I didn't have to do LFR without feeling like I'm skipping something that I could be doing to improve my character.

    I wouldn't be opposed to them sharing a lockout.

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    I hope that it will be korean-only. My computer can't handle 25 man raiding on decent level to due fps drop on certain bosses (ex. Elegon). And classifying raiders into 'better' (25) and worse '10' would do much good. It would generate more bad emotions then good ones. I don't mind them having different lockouts though but giving 25 mans higher ilvl is meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zharradan View Post
    this isn't going to work, neither people will complain about KR player getting world firsts, or people will demand this change on US servers...
    Exactly. There is no way this can only be used in Asia. All of their World firsts would be completely unfair. This change has to come to EU/US in some form. 25 man raiding deserves some love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmeh View Post
    It has positives and negatives. It's pretty handy for getting key pieces eluding you on normal or heroic, or pieces that you have competition for. On the other hand, I wouldn't be upset if I didn't have to do LFR without feeling like I'm skipping something that I could be doing to improve my character.

    I wouldn't be opposed to them sharing a lockout.
    Well theoretically Valor gear exists for the purpose of filling difficult slots (that's what she said). I would like to see an alteration for LFR that allows existing raids to pug missing members in the same way that LFG does.

    Of course, -that- opens up the whole can of "guild groups abusing pugs out of loot" worms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Exactly. There is no way this can only be used in Asia. All of their World firsts would be completely unfair. This change has to come to EU/US in some form. 25 man raiding deserves some love.
    ...at the cost of punishing 25 mans? The only thing Blizz can do to make 'everyone happy' is to merge 10& 25 into 15 raid size. Not that it's perfect. Yet giving one raid size better gear would scratch 10 man out of the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Exactly. There is no way this can only be used in Asia. All of their World firsts would be completely unfair. This change has to come to EU/US in some form. 25 man raiding deserves some love.
    Three and a half words: bi-weekly Firelands lockouts.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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  14. #174
    Koreans will get world firsts by doing 25 man to have better gear then get 10 man world first achieves.

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    Hoping this stays in korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Well theoretically Valor gear exists for the purpose of filling difficult slots (that's what she said). I would like to see an alteration for LFR that allows existing raids to pug missing members in the same way that LFG does.

    Of course, -that- opens up the whole can of "guild groups abusing pugs out of loot" worms.
    Yeah, valor doesn't exactly fill the right slot (woops wrong hole) in a lot of cases. I can see non-spirit caster off-hand being a colossal pain in my ass this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Three and a half words: bi-weekly Firelands lockouts.
    They didn't give an item level advantage just increased the speed of Rep and Gear farming.

  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by surfah View Post
    why the fck is this 25man is harder than 10man still going on? If YOU want the challenge, go for 25's, find yourself a guild and get carried through hardmodes. If you don't want to do 10mans because they're easier in your opinion, simply don't do them. Also, what you're telling us is that after completing one mode, the second time you do it on another mode which has less players is actually easier. I'd take your point as valid if you'd done 10man first and then 25 to compare.
    If they were to separate lockouts with different loot and you were doing 25mans and wanted to do a 10man after, it would seem even easier for you, and you said that's not what you want. But if I were doing 10man progression and got lower loot but still wanted to do a 25man this week, it would be that much harder for me because of the loot i'll have, meaning i'll have to switch to 25man.
    Separate locks are gone for a reason and I personally don't really feel the need for them, although they're not that much of an issue to me.
    I am doing 10 and 25 and I'm not looking for an excuse to "get carried". 10m is simpler this tier, as easy as that. Not much diff dps-wise (incoming or outgoing) but just simpler.

  19. #179
    If this change goes to Korea and not to the U.S. realms, I'm strongly considering getting a Korean client.

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by lios View Post
    This would be insane. Once again forcing people to raid 10 and 25... It will lead to a loss of subscribers again. If people need incentives to do 25 man, they obviously dont like it, but are just lootwhores.
    Anyway they are going to loose some subs because people feel force to do a shitload of daily's

    Lootwhore ? WoW is about loot

    More loot = netter economie, more gen cut, more enchant, more raid = more flask, more food buff

    This is the best news since a long time and I hope they will appply this on US asap

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